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Posted: November 17 2017 at 8:50am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

He has bolted the little Lee press to an aluminum plate.
At least it's out of his lap. Going over this evening to
give primary instructions on loading. If he and his buddy
are sober it might be ok. However, I won't waste my
breath on a drunk. If he's loaded I'll pack up my toys
and go home. So we'll see I suppose.

Beneath his out of this world illusions of ridiculous,
and impossible loading nonsense, he has at least been
reading Lee's 2nd Ed. Loading manual. I'm clinging to his
now often quoted quest for a moderate .45ACP load that
won't kick as hard as standard loads. There might just be
hope. Now to get him off this stupidity of massive and
redundant overweight bullets. I'm still trying to figure
where that idea came from. Sometimes I have more
meaningful conversations with my dogs. Even with the dumb
one that's not mine but visits from down the road.

Yup, gonna be interesting this evening....

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Posted: November 17 2017 at 11:46am | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Teach him like this!


Edited by MontanaWolf on November 17 2017 at 11:47am


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Posted: November 17 2017 at 12:17pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

Old Ranger wrote:
...Now to get him off this stupidity of massive and
redundant overweight bullets. I'm still trying to figure
where that idea came from. ....


My first two guesses would be: 1)gun magazines and 2)the internet.

Montana Wolf, that's why the number rule of reloading is to not watch a democrat talking on TV while reloading.

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Posted: November 18 2017 at 7:07am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well last night's training went remarkably well.
Both remained sober. Both were very attentive to
instructions and I only had to tell Drunk Neighbor to
shut up and stop interrupting about 25 to 30 times.

They used their little Lee single stage press and .45ACP
dies along with my ancient Ideal No.5 powder measure and
Herters scale. We looked up starting loads in their Lee
manual as well as several manuals I have in my tablet. A
modest load was selected and I demonstrated how to set up
and operate each stage. They both took turns with each
and loaded the 20 rounds of 230gr RN plated and 20 of
200gr cast RNFP. Using my calipers to verify OAL and
barrels were pulled and loads were tested for correct
chamber fit. Overall, I was pleasantly surprised to see
just how closely both observed, and moreover, how well
they exercised the proper discipline required in loading.

With each phase of loading, I demonstrated also with the
old Ideal 310 tools. This give them the knowledge of both
the origins of modern handloading and how the actual
functions of dies, measures, and scales have improved,
yet remain the same in function.

If left to their own accord they would have blindly
entered into this effort and surely created disastrous
loads and done harm to either their weapons or
themselves. I'm not claiming a victory just yet, but at
least the notion of 300gr wadcutters in a 45ACP is now
understood as being impossible and a 200gr round is far
more approachable. The foundation has been laid. Now we
train more and see how well they build upon it.
Yes, I was astonished to see Drunk Neighbor actually sit
as quietly as he did and not try to finish my sentences
for me. When he did interrupt I'd do as I did when I was
a drill sgt. He soon decided that he wasn't as
knowledgeable as he thought. I believe, with proper
training, these two will get it. And again, to my utmost
surprise, it was a productive evening. Maybe they won't
blow themselves up after all if sobriety reins over their
loading sessions.

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Posted: November 18 2017 at 6:05pm | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

I wonder if your nieghbor is in any any related to that You Tube rocket scientst who filled a non-functional riding lawn mower with Tannerite and closed in on it while firing at it until he was close enough that a piece of lawnmower traumatically amputated most of his leg, when it detonated.
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Posted: November 19 2017 at 6:38am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Well, you're clearly a more descent person than I. Here's hoping the good idea fairy doesn't pay him a visit.

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Posted: November 19 2017 at 8:17am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

He does indeed have some far fetched and "unusual" ideas
about loading true enough. I heard the barking of a .45
yesterday afternoon across the road. I soon received a
text stating "Those 200gr loads are SWEET! Being lighter
they're going to make it easier to shoot better."
He was referring to 5gr Unique and a 200gr cast RNFP, a
mild, accurate, and comfortable load in a .45ACP.

So maybe, just maybe I haven't wasted my time training
this guy. Of course he's not going to stop drinking and
his mentality is prone to admire outlandish nonsense.
He's still going to "invent" his own "facts" and sadly,
believe them. After all, you can't fix stupid, but at
least when confronted with his BS I quickly and
constantly will return the true facts back at him and
will not hesitate to tell him he's dead wrong.

His buddy is more reserved yet is prone to be a follower.
This makes things difficult in breaking the line of BS
from Drunk Neighbor about "Dumbass Ballistics" vs actual
facts. The buddy was far more open to learning the
correct methods of loading and came to the table with a
much more open mind than Drunk Neighbor, who would invent
stuff on the spot. I hope the buddy ignores Drunk
Neighbor's nonsense and continues to learn the proper
methods.

Edited by Old Ranger on November 19 2017 at 8:21am


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Posted: November 19 2017 at 11:50am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Well, at least maybe his buddy will take what you've said to heart when he starts reloading. Sometimes followers will do the right thing at home, absent poor influences.

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Posted: November 19 2017 at 3:09pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

Your neighbors are very fortunate to have an experienced reloader
giving them one-on-one instruction. I started my reloading in my teens,
thirty years ago, by reading manuals and talking to experienced
reloaders. Started with a Lee Loader in .38 Special.

Hope your neighbors appreciate the wealth of knowledge you are
sharing with them.
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Posted: November 20 2017 at 6:08am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I thank you for the compliment John. I know most have
read about my great uncle Leo and his 310 tool and his
.45Colt. I learned to load BP and that cartridge on that
310. When I got my Lyman Spartan press and a set of Lyman
AA dies I was in a whole new world. But the principles of
reloading remain the same from the 310 to the Spartan and
the learning curve was slight. Hadda learn about that
newfangled smokeless powder though. Bench loading
and subsequent details were all through study or self
discovered methods.

My fears of Drunk Neighbor blowing himself up have
lessened some, but have not yet dissappeared either. If,
and that's the key here, IF he remains sober while
loading I think he'll do ok. However, he is a confirmed
alcoholic and cannot go a full day without drinking. It
may still be just a matter of time. His buddy paid close
attention to my instructions and appeared to absorb it
better as he was primarily void of the ridiculous ideas
that Drunk Neighbor continues to come up with. Hopefully
he won't follow too closely to Drunk Neighbor's bizzar
thought pattern.

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