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Posted: 18 November 2017 at 2:33pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Picked up a bunch of 90gr 309 bullets that were on sale the other day, paid less than $0.10/bullet so couldn't pass it up... figure might be a good starting bullet for my boys when they are old enough, and handy for rabbit or other small game... any body have any load data for a bullet this size in 30-06... the data sheets here go down to 100grs but have them running pretty hot... i'm not trying to turn her into a BB gun or anything but want a kid friendly load.

... just asked a similar question in the 45-70 shot load discussion but what do you use to fill the space when you have a half empty case?

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Posted: 18 November 2017 at 2:54pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Use a fast burning powder and you don't eed to worry about fillers.

I assume these bullets are cast. Do they have gas checks on them? Makes a big difference in how fast you can push them. I'd start with about eight grains of Unique.

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richhodg66 wrote:
Use a fast burning powder and you don't eed to worry about fillers.

I assume these bullets are cast. Do they have gas checks on them? Makes a big difference in how fast you can push them. I'd start with about eight grains of Unique.


actually they are hornady xtp jacketed hollow points.

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I think you will like the Unique that he recommends
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Ed Harris, who used to post here regularly, wrote a lot of articles on topics like this. If you read the part of this article on small game and gallery loads, it should be enlightening.

http://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharris/articles/american3006.h tm

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richhodg66 wrote:
Ed Harris, who used to
post here regularly, wrote a lot of articles
on topics like this. If you read the part of
this article on small game and gallery loads,
it should be enlightening.

icles/american3006.htm">
http://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharris/articles
/american3006.h tm


Great article... I guess grey minds think
alike   

His way of thinking is the same as mine... I
try to have three distinct loads for all my
rifles and magnum pistols... for 45-70 I'm
looking forward to working up something for
the 144gr balls, then have my 300gr high
speed
deer load, and a moderate speed 535gr load
for bear... same with 357... have a 000 ball
load for wabit and such, a 105gr zinger for
extending range on medium game and my 200gr
brute force load. Just really getting to
explore this world of diversity since I got
my chronograph...

For 30-06 I have a 168gr load for deer to
close in elk, look forward to getting this
plinker load going then will turn to a 200+
gr load.

Still hard to believe it's ok to leave 6 to 8
grs of bullsey, unique or anything just
floating around in that big case...

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Posted: 18 November 2017 at 9:15pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I used a .30-30 to hunt squirrels with some loads my dad had, the Lee 113 grain "soup can" and five grains of Clays. I've used full wadcutter ,32 revolver bullets in the .30-30 with five grains of Bullseye. Either one Is one hole accurate at 25 yards. Loads like this kill small game with authority and not nearly the meat damage of say a .22 WMR or .17 HMR.

Fast burners like that (Bullseye, Red Dot, etc) burn well and aren't position sensitive. The use of any kind of fillers is a touchy subject, and only in very specific instances. Read up on it carefully before attempting it.

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More reading. Post #2 here is the best single rapid reading you will find on how to safely and effectively use fillers for reduced loads. I've recently been surprised on some facebook pages how many people still use cream of wheat and similar as filler in bottle neck cases, a recipe for disaster. If you're gonna do it, go to a fabric store and buy a bag of Dacron pillow stuffing. It's cheap and a bag will last you for decades.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?109280-The-pr oper-use-of-fillers

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richhodg66 wrote:
Ed Harris, who used to post here regularly, wrote a lot of articles on topics like this. If you read the part of this article on small game and gallery loads, it should be enlightening.

http://www.hensleygibbs.com/edharris/articles/american3006.h tm


I have nothing to add to this discussion, but I wanted to say thanks for the link. I have not read this before and it is a most excellent article.

Thanks.

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richhodg66 wrote:
More reading. Post #2 here is the best single rapid reading you will find on how to safely and effectively use fillers for reduced loads. I've recently been surprised on some facebook pages how many people still use cream of wheat and similar as filler in bottle neck cases, a recipe for disaster. If you're gonna do it, go to a fabric store and buy a bag of Dacron pillow stuffing. It's cheap and a bag will last you for decades.

http://castboolits.gunloads.com/showthread.php?109280-The-pr oper-use-of-fillers


great read... i'm going to print this one off and paste it in the back of my reloading log.
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Jason,

This is from C.E. Harris, also. It might be helpful.






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Buffalogun wrote:
Jason,

This is from C.E. Harris, also. It might be helpful.




Mike


nice.... will print that off as well...

I've got bullseye on hand and use it for my light 357 loads... so i'll start there... i put 8gr bullseye behind my 105gr 357 bullets... I'm at the reload bench now... going to work up loads with 5, 6, 7, and 8 grs and see how they shoot and chrono... and go from there...

thanks for all the help guys.
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Posted: 20 November 2017 at 10:22pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

I guess this is a split thread post... 
I'll have to cut paste it to the 30-06 
discussion... just loaded up a small batch
of 
rounds... for the both guns I started 
simple.. did 4 rounds each... 5.5, 6, 6.5,
7, 
7.5 gr bullseye. The 45-70 is a single 457 
ball which weighs in at 144gr and the 30-06 
is a Hornaday 90gr jacketed hollow point 

Hoping to get to the range wednesday... 
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The only thing I'll add is to be very, very careful to avoid a double charge. A double charge of Bullseye would be a problem, and easy to do. I always charge all of them in a tray and then look under a good light to see if anything looks wrong, but with a bottle neck and that light a charge, it's more difficult to spot.

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Posted: 21 November 2017 at 8:50am | IP Logged Quote Atavist

When i'm dealing with bullseye I always weigh each charge individually and charge with a funnel... makes for slow going but gives me a warm fuzzy that no chance of a double charge.
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