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Posted: 23 November 2017 at 3:05am | IP Logged Quote Dragon

I have tried multiple rifle calibers, but to date my favorite is the .270 Win, mine is in old Savage 110.
It is the most accurate rifle I have owned over the last 50 years.
Even more accurate then my Rem 700BDL heavy barrel varminter in .243
I like reloading for it. Where as the 30-06 had a different point of impact for every different bullet, the .270 all go to the same hole

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Posted: 23 November 2017 at 7:50am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Those Savage 110s were under rated rifles for a very long time, seems like now they are getting their due for a change.

The .270 is a good round. I like .30s, but there really isn't much in the lower 48 the .270 won't do just as well.

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Posted: 23 November 2017 at 9:33am | IP Logged Quote Dragon

I like the 30 cal, it's just that with my Savage 110 in 30-06, every bullet weight had a different point of impact, where as the 270, from 90grain t0 140 grain go to the same point of aim.
I have a LOT of 30-06 brass, mostly because I can make them into .45acp when the neck splits
I have pretty much switched from 30-06 to .308 though

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You couldn't have selected a finer caliber than the 270.

The 130 grain bullet is a premire deer size game round
with
modest recoil and long range capability.

It's easy to reload and there is an abundance of
components readily avaialble.

The 30 06 and 308 are also great choices. Any one of
these
in the hands of a skilled marksman is more than adequate.



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Posted: 24 November 2017 at 8:31pm | IP Logged Quote Dragon

30-06 was my all around caliber, you can load the 220 grain loads right up to 300mag low end. 180 grain has a heck of a penetration, you can watch them dirt kick up behind grizzly's.
   .308 was a favorite from way back, and in the Army it worked great out to the 900 meter range targets.
   .45acp is great but I haven't tried it past the 50 yard targets.
   I like that at 15 yards it would group one big hole.
   

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The .270 has been my favorite cartridge since I shot my first deer with one. It excels as a long range deer and antelope cartridge. The factory stuff has been neutered and IMHO to make the new supermags look better.
My favorite load is 61.5 grains of H4831 behind a 130 hornady sst. 3175 fps out of a 24 inch tube. Taken lots of game with this load from 50 to 400 yards. The only guys who knock the .270 have never used one.
A great cartridge that will still be here in many years to come.
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Posted: 26 November 2017 at 2:15pm | IP Logged Quote Dragon

I like .270 for a lot of reasons, among them is the abundance of brass or convertible brass around to reload.
For varminting I like the 90 grain hp.

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I've never had a .270, but respect the heck out of that deer-getter!

I've got it surrounded, with a 25-06 and a 30-06, but no .270 Win.

Here in Washington, the .270 is well respected as an elk killer as well.

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Posted: 26 November 2017 at 11:08pm | IP Logged Quote Dragon

25-06 is fun but, I've heard complaints of burning out the barrels ?
A friend had one, but all his loads were really hot, he used to have to send his model 29 back regularly for rework on the timing.

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M700 wrote:
I've never had a .270, but respect the heck out of that deer-getter!

I've got it surrounded, with a 25-06 and a 30-06, but no .270 Win.

Here in Washington, the .270 is well respected as an elk killer as well.

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I'm like Guy, 25-06 & 30-06. Never had a 270 but it is a great round for all round game in North America I think.

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When I bought my first rifle I wanted it in .270 Win.   Unfortunately it
wasn't available in that cartridge, closest thing was .25-06 so I went
with that.   The .25-06 was a great cartridge and it served me well.
So well in fact that I never missed the .270.

Like the others I have a .25-06 and a .30 cal in .308 Win.

Always wanted a .270 but I guess that's not to be.

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Dragon wrote:
25-06 is fun but, I've heard complaints of burning out the barrels ?
A friend had one, but all his loads were really hot, he used to have to send his model 29 back regularly for rework on the timing.


Oh ya, any "overbore" cartridge is going to have an issue with barrel life. I think Joe here wore out his original 25-06 barrel some years ago, but I don't recall how many rounds he had through it when the old barrel gave up.

I've used mine quite a bit over the past 12 years or so, and it's still shooting great. I kinda lost track of how many shots it has been, but quite a bit. Might be able to figure it out.

Barrels are like tires, even the good ones wear out eventually. I don't mind putting a new barrel on a rifle now and again. Gives me a great excuse to upgrade to a Krieger or Douglas or something real high quality.

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My original plan was to own a .243 and a .270, figured that would
cover me for anything I would do.    

Funny how things work out, I've owned .223, .22-250, .243, .25-06,
7mm RM, .308 and .300 H&H Mag.

Out of those I have regretted the .22-250 and the 7mm RM.   The
.243 can do anything the .22-250 can and more.   The 7mm RM
kicked like a mule and was not as versatile as the .300 H&H.

Would still like to have a .270 though.

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Guy is right, the barrel on my .25-06 went somewhere about 1k to
1100 rounds.    I noticed on 5 shot groups there was always at
least 1 that was off by 2".   That rifle was only good for 1" groups
at best till I had it bedded.

I think it would have lasted longer had I not used J-B as much as I
did to remove copper.   I was a fanatic about copper fouling in my
younger days.

Looking back, wearing out a barrel is not a bad thing.   I had a
local bench rest rifle builder (Kelbleys) replace the barrel with a
Krieger and go over the rifle about 8 years ago. Paid about $400
and what I got back is a rifle that will shoot just under 1/2"
groups.   The sad part about it is 8 years later I have 46 rounds
though it. I used to shoot that in a weekend of hunting
groundhogs here.   I doubt it's even broken in yet.

I bought that rifle new in 1978 for $238, a Remington 700 Varmint
Special in .25-06.

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Posted: 27 November 2017 at 6:37pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

In the 60's and 70's the great debate in the hunting camp
was which was the best deer caliber, the 30-06 or 270.

I was just a young guy and listened to these old timers
stories. The 30-06 usually had more followers. My guess
is that since most of these guys were WWII vets they
favored the 06.

In my 40 years+ of hunting white tail in the east I can
say with absolute certainity it doesn't matter. You can
throw in the 308, 25-06 and similar cartridges into the
debate and it still doesn't matter, they are all
excellent and will do the job very effectively.

The real difference is in the marksmanship skills of a
hunter. Can you hit the vitals in a field position under
field condtions. Do you practice simulating a hunting
situation and do you know your maximum effective range?

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Posted: 28 November 2017 at 6:52am | IP Logged Quote Dragon

My first rifle ,(civilian owned) was an off the wall thing from Europe, a bolt action in something like a .264mag, it kicked ridiculously, I used my cousins .308 bolt gun, and with having my military training with the M-14 I was sold on the .308
My next rifle was a Savage 110 in 30-06, my wife re stained the stock, it was a great rifle (I read 30-06 has taken all game animals with a single round, including elephant)
I got hung up on grouping and the .270 kind of took over there. The .243 was great but even in the heavy barrel it would not group like the .270

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I have not shot a .270 very much, but have loaded that round a bit for my FIL and a close buddy and fired it enough to work up fine accurate rounds for them. The history of that round proves that it is a very accurate and a decent longer ranging varmint/hunting cartridge. Can not discount it's long and effective history and with the extensive and constant endorsements by gun writer Jack O'Connor, it had to become a popular cartridge.

Another buddy had a .280 and it would easily drive tacks with almost every bullet we used. I always heard and I think we proved, that the .280 Remington, 7mm-06, 7mm Remington express, 7mmx64, or whatever one calls it, is an absolutely easy cartridge to load for and get great results in accuracy. The shoulder was moved very slightly forward of the 30-06/270 Win. (about .05 of an inch) so that it could not be chambered in either.

At the time, a larger variety of bullets were available in 7mm than for the .270 Win. so I always wondered if the .280 had been put into production back around the beginning of the .270, which one would have been more popular.

The fact that the .270 Win. had been out for around 30 years before Remington came out with the .280 had probably doomed it as to ever gaining all that much of a following compared to the .270. Also, the fact that Remington kept changing the name of the cartridge in an effort to increase sales confused a lot of people and contributed to it just not gaining a following as well.

If I were wanting a very accurate and long ranging all -around hunting round, the .280 Remington would be my pick as it would work very well for varmints with 115gr. bullets up to around 175gr. for larger game.

Oh, and the .280 was capable of slightly higher velocities with the same weight bullets as the .270 and the heavier .284" bullets also have higher ballistic coefficients for better retained downrange velocity.

The .280 certainly is an overlooked cartridge by many, but then one can obtain .270 ammo almost anywhere. I can not remember seeing any .280 ammo on most vendors shelves.

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Let`s not let this turn into a .270 vs .280 thread. Remember the one a few years back that turned ridiculous.
They are both great cartridges. The .280 was a victim of coming out the wrong time. The .270 and 30-06 were already well established and those who wanted a 7mm opted for the 7mm rem mag, another great cartridge.
I almost bought a .280 about 30 years ago and I`m sure I would have been happy with it. Bought a .270 Weatherby instead and never looked back.


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The 30-06 vs 270 vs 280; it's fun to debate but it doesn't
really make any material difference; they all work
extremely well.

I would always opt for well established standard cartridges
since ammo and components are more readily avaiable; so are
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hoghunter wrote:
The 30-06 vs 270 vs 280; it's fun to debate but it doesn't
really make any material difference; they all work
extremely well.

I would always opt for well established standard cartridges
since ammo and components are more readily avaiable; so are
choices in rifles.


One of the reasons I picked one up in a trade deal for something else is because at the height of the Obama ammo scare, the only kind of centerfire rifle ammo that did not sell completely out was .270. I do have dies and found some bullets an old friend of my Dad's had cast up, so I have loaded and shot for it, but I think that .270 of mine is gonna be mainly a factory ammo rifle and not get shot much.

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