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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 6:46am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Looks bad. Have to admit to not being much of a Remington fan, just personal preferences mostly, but I sure hate to see this. It'll most likely take what's left of Marlin down too.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/inq-phillydeals/gunmaker- remington-faces-default-as-americans-buy-fewer-firearms-2017 1117.html

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 7:06am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Marlin was trashed 7 years ago when Remington assimilated
them like the Borg. This news doesn't surprise me really
as Remington has been churning out junk for a decade
while other gun makers are building better for less.
Only reason I feel "a loss" is that this would result in
aiding the anti-gun freaks "cause" and they'll twist it
around to make people believe they did this damage and
thump their liberal chests.

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 7:24am | IP Logged Quote rich2

Poor management and engineers that know *NOTHING* about firearms. (Only what the "numbers" tell them.) Combine that with a "get it out the door" attitude and you have the perfect recipe for failure. I have NO sympathy for them but I do agree with Ranger about the anti-guns taking credit.

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 7:25am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I personally hate to see any old time American business go down (though I'd have been pouring gas on the fire if General Motors had been allowed to, but I digress). Sears is going down for the last time and I hate it, and a lot of other grand old names.

Oddly, Savage, really seems to have taken off since they went under a while back. The 110 series rifles now seem to be regarded as being as good or better than the rest as they always should have been.

We'll see what happens to Remington, but that drop off in quality in order to up the bottom line is to blame. I think if they got back to doing what they did well, they'd have been alright.



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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 7:42am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Hate to see that. I still own one old 870 shotgun from the '50s and it is still a good gun. I can't afford a $700-800 dollar pump gun and I doubt I'm alone, I think the Wingmaster is in that area by now.
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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 7:56am | IP Logged Quote rich2

richhodg66. A big part of the problem is that a lot of their engineers came from the automotive industry.

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 8:48am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

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richhodg66. A big part of the problem is that a lot of their engineers came from the automotive industry.


Very interesting. I know nothing of their inner personal make up, but what you're saying sure makes sense.

Rex, hold onto that old 870. I personally don't care for them ( I like Ithacas) but the reliability and workmanship on those older ones is absolutely legendary, I doubt there's ever been a better pump shotgun made.

I am a big fan of the 788. I also like the 721/722 series better than the 700s. Just something about most of their products that always hit me wrong for some reason. But I still hate to see them go under.

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 9:05am | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

This has happened to many good companies over the years. Smith & Wesson was bought out and the company name trashed by the new owners by only wanting to make a huge profit instead of making good quality guns. It was restructured or bought out again and got back on it's feet. Hopefully a restructuring or owner change will once again get Remington back into production of good quality guns.

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 9:31am | IP Logged Quote M700

Might actually end up being good for us.

Perhaps Remington, and Marlin, will come back, better than they are now?

I sure do like my Rem 700 rifles. We've got four of 'em around the house. They're all stone reliable and accurate.

The 6mm Rem 700 BDL dates from 1974 when it was a gift to me from my father. My son now hunts with it. Accurate as all get out, despite a lot of varmint hunting over the years. He shoots whitetail & mule deer with it.

The 308 has been mine for about 20 years, re-barreled. Hauled through the brush. Hunting. SWAT. NRA match-rifle competition and more. It's done GREAT!

The 25-06 and 30-06 Rem 700 CDL's are almost a matched pair, and my goodness have they worked out well for me in the hunting fields! Coyotes, antelope, mule deer, elk, black bear, wolf, grizzly... They just look and feel so good to me!

I've had the 25-06 a spell, maybe 12 years or so? But the 30-06 is only a few years old, maybe 5? Not sure. I didn't even scope it for a while as I was using the heck out of the 25-06, and just set the 30 cal version aside for a while. Used the heck out of it last year though.

Good rifles. I suspect that if Remington dies - at least the 870 shotgun and the 700 rifle will return, hopefully built to high standards.

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 10:55am | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

I read about this. Not a good thing.
I have a 1100 & 870 20 gage and 2 700.
All are older guns.
Don't know about what they have been making lately.

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Posted: 25 November 2017 at 2:58pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Intersting when you look at both Savage and Mossberg went belly up a while back, then came back, not sure of new ownership or what, but both focused on one thing for a good long time; Savage the 110 series rifles and Mossberg the 500 series shotguns. Now, both of them are making all kinds of stuff and both seem to be doing very well. Maybe Remington and Marlin will be similar.

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Posted: 26 November 2017 at 3:00pm | IP Logged Quote Rifleman 52

O boy! thats good to here, I just sent my Model-700-
270 caliber to Remington to fix my trigger. On
11/10/2017 it misfired. Me and my sons were at Scotts
10 acre property sighting rifles in. When it was my
turn to shoot I moved the safety from safe to fire and
the rifle went off, my finger was no were near the
trigger. Good thing my rifle was pointed down range.
Years ago I checked my model numbers and they weren't
on the recall. When I called Remington the nice lady
said oh yes, you have a Walker trigger, the one with
ribbs on it. Now that we know that you had a misfire
you can send it in and it will be fixed at no charge to
you. Should take about 12 weeks for return. Good thing
my rifle wasn't on the recall.
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Posted: 26 November 2017 at 3:51pm | IP Logged Quote safari100

The fact that the press is reporting that Americans are buying less guns tells you where the story comes from. I have no doubt that Americans are buying less Remingtons Their product is now junk. The over unders are now made buy Bikal and are crap. They discontinued the best O/U shotgun ever made in the 3200 which was the model 32 then sold rights and came out as the K-80 and brought back as the 3200. My 3200 was finally sent to my gunsmith after aprox. 500 K rounds. He gave it a $300 tune up and I still shoot it several times a week.
Rem no longer has a custom shop and my gunsmith that was a factory service center stopped doing repairs for Re. because they were not paying their bills to him.
Let us not forget that Rem. was bought by Freedom Group that is owned by George Soros. The Libs. will get rid of our guns one company at a time.

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Posted: 28 November 2017 at 10:37am | IP Logged Quote twillis

The George Soros rumor is old and debunked: NRA on George Soros

I chatted with a guy that worked for Sig. He was a dealer rep for them. He was laid off after Trump was elected as sales were way down. If I remember correctly dealers were down 20 to 30 percent.

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Posted: 29 November 2017 at 6:55pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Bankruptcy does not mean the label will disappear. In a way, this is a great opportunity, I think. My guess is that the company will be spun off by Freedom Group to either be independent, or purchased by another conglomerate - Vista Outdoor (Formerly ATK Outdoor) perhaps. That means new engineers, new management, new business models, and so forth.

Just to be clear - I have NO inside knowledge. I'm just basing this off of what has been done time and again in the corporate world.

As far as gun sales being down; I believe it. For several years, people were willing to dig deep to make sure they had various firearms they wanted. Nowadays, I know I'm certainly less likely to lay out lots of cash (he says having just dropped $800+ on a new AR pistol). And why would we when there are so many manufacturers and so much product on the market?

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The only Remington rifles I've owned were bought used, and long ago. They were wonderful! I have a new .308 Remington on layaway, now, but I'm wondering if I should rethink the purchase.

I'm not really advocating this, so I'M just wondering aloud, here. I'm wondering what would happen to Remington's financial stature if everyone who's read that article about their teetering financial status went out and bought a Remington firearm.

I wouldn't want anyone to go out and buy something of low quality, JUST to buy a Remington firearm. But let's ALSO be clear that not EVERYthing they make is garbage. If enough people bought right (that's buying the GOOD stuff & shunning the BAD stuff), I wonder if the cash inflow would stave off disaster, while their "numbers only"-oriented engineers and actuaries saw on paper in bottom-line figures what's selling would get a clue as to how they should respond to become profitable again.

ADDENDUM: I'd ALSO be interested in knowing what impact the introduction-recall-reintroduction of their R51 9mm pistol cost them & if it was a significant financial hit.

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Posted: 02 December 2017 at 2:35pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

They say "what goes around comes around".

Remington gobbled up H&R and Marlin. They closed H&R down and moved Marlin production to Ilion. The employees at the Marlin plant were canned, along with their knowledge and expertise. Since the move the quality of Remington production has gone in the tank.

Now Remington is in position to be gobbled up!

Maybe bad management?


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Posted: 05 December 2017 at 10:46pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Definitely have mixed feelings on this one...
I've got an old 80s wingmaster that has
beautiful deep blueing, nice rich wood, and
smooth as glass...but then I also have a
newer 7600. The moment I got it I was
disappointed with it aesthetically... it's
definitely in my mind what an express is to
the wingmaster... flat black mediocre finish,
lack luster wood, mediocre action and trigger
and finicky mag seeting.... but she does
shoot straight.. only have about 200rds
through her right now and she's starting to
smooth in. Would love to see wingmaster
quality weapons again from remington... if
this is what it takes... so be it.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 7:13am | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

I'm not trying to jack the thread, I'd e indebted if someone would refresh my memory... Didn't Mossberg make a pump-action rifle in .30-30 Winchester or maybe .35 Remington? I recall Remington making pump-action rifles in higher-pressure rifle rounds, but someone else made pump-action rifles in the lighter calibers.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 7:17am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Savage made the model 170 pump gun in 30-30.
I never had one but do have a Remington 760 in 30-06 that is as accurate as any rifle I ever owned.
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