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Posted: December 07 2017 at 8:29am | IP Logged Quote dahlin

I did have a 35 Remington savage pump it shot alright but had a very bad trigger.
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I was always a Remington fan from my first centerfire rifle.   I've
owned 700 rifles from the 70s, 80s and 2000. Never had a bad one.

Would really hate to see them disappear as I still believe they make a
decent product.

The last couple years I have gone off to buying Winchesters which I
like just as much.

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Posted: December 07 2017 at 9:28am | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

Okay, it was SAVAGE, not Mossberg. Thanx, fellas!
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Posted: December 09 2017 at 3:25pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Rex wrote:
Savage made the model 170 pump gun in 30-30.
I never had one but do have a Remington 760 in 30-06 that is as accurate as any rifle I ever owned.


The Savage 170s were problematic, at least the .30-30 ones were. Had one for a while, might have been the most accurate .30-30 I ever shot, but it wouldn't unlock after firing and I had to depress the slide release every time. It went down the road, which is too bade, I really like the idea of pump rifles. I've heard the rimless .35 Remington ones work better.

Remington did make the 14 and 141 pump rifles. I have one in .35 and it is great. Those are at least as good as the Marlin and Winchester lever rifles that were their competitors.

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Bankruptcy does not mean the label will disappear. In a way, this is a great opportunity, I think. My guess is that the company will be spun off by Freedom Group to either be independent, or purchased by another conglomerate - Vista Outdoor (Formerly ATK Outdoor) perhaps. That means new engineers, new management, new business models, and so forth.


The new personnel would be good news provided they know what they are doing. The problem anyone acquiring Remington would face is that there are few experienced firearms engineers out there that aren't already working in the industry.

Firing an engineer who has worked at Remington for three years and is just now starting to become proficient only to turn around and hire someone else would not be very productive.
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Posted: December 13 2017 at 7:48pm | IP Logged Quote hdwhit

I taught my older son to shoot using a Remington 597. It was reasonably priced. It is reasonably accurate. It has been very reliable.

But, I haven't looked at Remington shotgun or center-fire rifle in years. And from what I hear, I probably won't start looking any time soon.

And I guess therein lies the problem; how do you charge premium prices for a product that has acquired a reputation for being worse than average?
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Posted: December 15 2017 at 10:13am | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Yeah I had 1 Rem 700 30-06 15-20 yrs ago. The dang thing went off x2 and I was not touching the trigger. Thank God no one was hit. I had trigger work done on it and then sold it at a lose with full disclosure to the buyer. All Rem ever said was not their issue, even though many other folk had the same complaints and people did die from it.
Since then I refuse to have anything here with Rem on it, no bullets, ammo, weapons etc., except for brass I buy at the thrift store to use as scrape when I want to engrave on them. I figure Rem junk is safe for that, LOL. And I surely do not want to use my quality brass.

Hey here is an idea, lets all pool our $$$$ and buy it and run it the right way.   


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Posted: December 15 2017 at 1:20pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Wolf. Ain't a damn thing wrong with Remington brass. I use it in the
7x57 and .280 Remington and have never had a problem.

Come to think of it, I've never had a problem with the three M700's I
have.

I did have a neighbor bring an M700 ADL in .270 over to check out
Seems it went off and the bullet hit his wife in both knees and she lost
both legs. I worked for a gunsmith part time back then so he wanted
me to check the rifle out. I told him it might take a while and I had it for
a bit over a month. tried working while watching TV, took it out in the
desert and tried with ammo and never could make it go bang. My
unpopular conclusion was it was operator error.

I did have a Remington M660 that had a problem trigger. Remington
replaced it and it's still working just fine.

ETA: Regardless of my good(?) luck with my Remmies, I still treat them
as the ticking time bombs they may be.

Paul B.

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Posted: December 15 2017 at 2:28pm | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Agreed Paul, they are ticking Kaboomers. I know I had no finger on the trigger both times. Just about as scary as being dragged off to hell. Rem had a massive recall on their rifles for this after years of denying any issues but sooner or later when it keeps happening to people over and over, they had to confess.

If memory serves (and at my age it usually don't) they finally decided that the made in china (or where ever they had the triggers out sourced too) were making some under their quality standards. But that was enough fr me, especially for refusing to look at a potential issue for years& years while people were dying. And once they did the recall, they still refused to consider mine had an issue because it was supposedly not from that same company but again this was years after the complaints, including mine were pouring in.

So to suffice for me and my household, anything with a Rem stamp on it is not allowed here except as trash, LOL.

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Posted: December 20 2017 at 6:45am | IP Logged Quote Dragon

I had the Remington 1911, it was a basic pistol, nothing fancy, but it seemed to be alright.
In long guns I have a Remington 700 BDL, in a heavy barrel, never had a problem with it, although it is about 20 years old.
But I wasn't happy at all with the SR25 in .308, it couldn't do better the about 1.5" group at a 100 yards, so I gave it to my son, he likes AR's and is happy to pepper the paper rather then shooting 1 whole groups.

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hdwhit wrote:
KinleyWater wrote:
Bankruptcy does not mean the label will disappear. In a way, this is a great opportunity, I think. My guess is that the company will be spun off by Freedom Group to either be independent, or purchased by another conglomerate - Vista Outdoor (Formerly ATK Outdoor) perhaps. That means new engineers, new management, new business models, and so forth.


The new personnel would be good news provided they know what they are doing. The problem anyone acquiring Remington would face is that there are few experienced firearms engineers out there that aren't already working in the industry.

Firing an engineer who has worked at Remington for three years and is just now starting to become proficient only to turn around and hire someone else would not be very productive.


Welcome to the forum!

I agree with what you have said, but I suspect it's more than just having inexperienced engineers.

Poor QC is a failure at four points: First, the machinists (or likely just machine operators these days)not caring about craftsmanship. Second, the inspectors not enforcing standards (or the standards having been lowered - more later). Third, the engineers, not knowing how to do process improvement (any idiot can look at a print and clear a D stamp). Fourth, front office not making customer experience (to include complaint resolution) a priority. If the QC standards have been lowered, it's most likely at this level to create cost-savings which can be counted as earnings in their quarterly earnings report.

Really, any of those individuals involved could remedy the issue of poor production, but ultimately the responsibility rests with the front office folks. They're the ones who set the internal and external corporate culture. If they said that quality and value were the most important corporate values; it would impact who HR hired, what level of scrutiny was applied to in-process inspection and how involved the engineers got.

Now, I profess to know nothing about firearms manufacture beyond what I've read, but I did work as an aerospace machinist and I know my way around a production process. I know what the difference between a craftsman and a machine operator and anyone with descent observation skill could tell which products were made by whom.

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