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Posted: 03 December 2017 at 7:25pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Been entirely too long since I'd been to the range... almost a month... always seems like something comes up to take priority over range day... but at long last I made it out... and had a good one... the weapons on the table were my Sabatti sxs 45-70, a Remington 7600 30-06, my Taylor tuned short stroke smoke wagon in 357, ... and the latest addition to the collection a 20" Winchester/Miroku 1892 in 357...



brought a bunch of odd ball test rounds with me and here's how they did:

Started off with 357:
- 3ct 55gr collar buttons on top of 7gr lilgun. avg'd 957fps with a stdev of ..9fps... talk about a fun load... at 25yrds all three collar buttons stayed in about a 1.5" circle... definitely my new rabit popper load. Only had a few of these so only shot them in pistol but I imagine they would be great from the rifle as well.

- 200gr LFWN 13gr lilgun
Pistol: 1245fps
Rifle: 1631fps
... one hell of a thunder clap in the pistol but pretty quite in the rifle.

1x000 balls on 3gr bullseye
Pistol: 475fps
Rifle: 796fps
zero recoil and almost like a pellet gun.

- 2x000 balls on 3gr bullseye
Pistol: 470fps
Rifle: 616fps
.... both had zero recoil and very little report... only advantage these have over the 3 collar button load is noise as i see it... both were pretty darn quiet.... but honestly i'll probably drop the 000 ball loads altogether when i run out of ball.

- 105gr spitzer 8gr bullseye
Pistol: 1465fps
Rifle: 1842fps
... me likey... very quite out of the rifle... will do some more testing on these and see how they perform at longer ranges.

Then on to 30-06: 18" carbine barrel
- 90gr hornady xtp hp.
5.5gr bullseye = 1102fps.... very quiet
6.5gr bullseye = 1233fps
7gr bullseye   = 1282fps
7.5gr bullseye = 1370fps
... of these the 7gr seemed the most accurate and had the least deviation at only 3.21fps stdev. seems like a great small game load to me.
... also had an issue with this load feeding... it was pretty short... and the case mouth kept hanging up... had this happen a few times. not sure what the answer is... did a pretty tight swage crimp and don't have a roll crimper for my 06.


- 165gr LFN hardcast non gas checked
47.5gr varget = 2449fps
48.5gr varget = 2461fps
49.5gr varget = 2550fps
...the 47.5gr load is near starting load level but had noticeably less recoil than the other two... Think i'll keep it there... not worth the extra recoil for 100fps with 2 more grains of powder.

and now the fun one... learned a lot here...
45-70:
1x457 ball (145grs)
5.5gr bullseye = 531fps
6gr bullseye   = 844fps
6.5gr bullseye = 931fps
7gr bullseye   = 1012
7.5gr bullseye = 1153fps
... the 6gr load seemed like the magic spot 5.5 gr sounded like an air gun... 6 was poppy but not a real bang at 7gr it started to sound like a rifle.

... and then there are my 410 mirroring loads which didn't work well at all.
2 balls:
12gr lilgun = 364fps...
12.5gr lilgun = 406fps... stdev 309fps lol... caught on quick these are powder position sensitive... if i held the gun up then level i got almost 800fps... if i held it down then level went down to as low as 110fps... could watch the ball plop out and hit the ground about 15yrds in front of me...
... similar results with 13gr lilgun... like that article said... shotgun powders need filler... might repeat these at some point with the synthetic fiber filler. for now though I think i'll stick with bullseye and the single ball load or 3 ball load.

3balls:
10gr lilgun = 714fps.. still position sensitive. if i went down then up speeds dropped to 500fps.
11gr lilgun = 795... no longer position sensative. stdev of 47fps... will probalby drop more if i add another grain.

all and all a fun day and did a little narrowing down what's worth spending time on.


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Posted: 04 December 2017 at 6:26am | IP Logged Quote USA Joe

Few things really beat a day at the range. & you have a
better idea on that ideal load Remember to keep
paper records time & one's memory seem to pass.   Stay
safe Joe

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Posted: 04 December 2017 at 7:59pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Hate to admit it but I've gone high tech on data tracking... my phone connects to my chronograph and logs it all for me... i just type in the load data before i get started and done... for ones I plan to keep I write them down in my loading log when i get home. Always another handy gadget these days...
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Posted: 05 December 2017 at 7:36am | IP Logged Quote M700

Seems like a fun day at the range. You do enjoy tinkering with your loads & firearms.

Dang, the wood on that 45/70 is NICE!

Regards, Guy



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M700 wrote:


Dang, the wood on that 45/70 is NICE!

Regards, Guy




Yeah, I keep telling myself that an 1886
would be much more practical... but I like
her so much I can't bring myself to sell her
to fund one and its hard to sell the wife on
two of any caliber her or the kids
can't/won't shoot.
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Posted: 05 December 2017 at 9:31pm | IP Logged Quote Yeti

OK, I need to know more about that 45-70 sxs. What range is it regulated for?
That is one cool rifle!

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Posted: 05 December 2017 at 10:19pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Yeti, she's a Sabatti Safari Classic. They
regulate them at 50 yards with Hornady lever
revolution 325gr ammo... but having now
really put her through her paces she shoots
to poa with anything I put in her which
ranges from single round ball 145gr loads up
to 535gr loads... the right barrel is the
regulation barrel and first to go on the
single trigger... I've shot her out to 100yrd
so far and the right barrel is true to aim...
the left at 100yrd is about 8" high and
right... all the crossover is in the left
barrel.. which is kind of handy.... only
regret is that I didn't get the double
trigger version, which I actually ordered but
they sent the single...I was dealing with the
importer personally and he said he was going
to hand pick me the best wood he had and
forgot about the double trigger... I was so
enamored I didn't bother to make a fuss about
it. Sort of wish I had now so I could load
the right barrel for medium game and keep a
bear load in the (only accurate to 50yrd)
left barrel and be able to selectively
fire... overall very happy with her though...
and for the money ecstatic that I can
actually own a solid well regulated sxs...
granted she's no H&H but for the money
($2700) she's a damn fine gun... hard to
imagine the Blaser and Merkel sxs rifles that
are twice the price are any nicer.

Edited by Atavist on 05 December 2017 at 10:22pm
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