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Posted: 04 December 2017 at 5:41pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Decided to post this separately from my range report in the general section...

Unfortunately at the range yesterday I had several light primer strikes when firing my Taylor short stroke smoke wagon... this crossed my mind as a concern out of the box, the hammer weight is just almost non existent and when you dry fire it (on a snap cap of course) it sounds like a toy gun... at least compared to my Cimarron Frontier which while not a heavy hammer has a definitive heavy snap on dropping the hammer... I've probably got a couple hundred rounds through the Taylor tuned one now... it was very random but out of about 100 rounds through her yesterday I had 3 lite primer strikes... tried several times with each to get them to fire and they wouldn't go... dropped them in the 1892 (didn't have my Cimarron with me) and bang... well fear recognized and that doesn't make me comfortable at all... so I think the Taylor is history... i'll miss the short stroke hammer... but i'm not a competition shooter so not really a big deal... Just listed her on armslist for sale... think this money will go into a EAA Bounty Hunter in 357.
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Posted: 05 December 2017 at 4:41pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Can't say as I blame ya. Short stroke SAA can be finicky.
A Bounty Hunter will bust caps like a cannon!. If ya get
one and the trigger feels a bit hard, I'll tell ya about
the "Redneck Trigger Job" and have it much lighter in
under 5 min and no disassembly required.
Have fun! Gettin me another Bounty Hunter in a bit in
.45Colt when I save up for it. Great guns.

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Posted: 05 December 2017 at 8:53pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

I'm not sure if it's the short stroke or the
taylor tuned part that made her finicky...
feels like light springs all around.. crossed
my mind to switch the hammer spring from the
Cimarron into it and see if that makes a
difference in stiking force... if so maybe
just buy a stock spring for it... but I
really want to try a bounty hunter so one of
them has to go.
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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 12:44am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

What brand primers ya using? CCI are known to be a might
hard to spark. Winchester and Federal do well. Remington
#1 1/2 are great, but hard to find... But CCI have failed
me more than a few times in my 1860 Army Conversion
.38Spl darlin with those moments when a "click" and not a
"pow" occurs when the hammer drops.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 5:45pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Those were indeed CCI primers... interesting... that was the last box primed out of the 1000 pack of primers... Can only guess the spring on the Taylor is starting to get broken in and this would be a recurring problem that will only get worse.
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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 7:57pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Remington 5 1/2 small pistol primers are thicker than
their 1 1/2. I'd avoid 5 1/2 for your weapons. Federal
primers fit pockets the smoothest of those available
today. I like them the best followed by Remington and
Winchester.

Sadly, CCI are my least favorite yet they're the most
available in my area. Frustrating for my uses at times.
If you can lay your hands on some Federals you will have
the best chance of complete ignition. Good luck.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 8:03pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Good info... they all seem equally available
in my area, each is just at a different
store. Rght now I've got all winchester
primers on the bench accept for large magnum
pistol which are federal... I'll avoid cci in
the future.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 8:05am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

If you've got Winchesters there, by all means load some
test rounds and give em a go. If they're mag primers you
may have issues as they're a thicker cup than standard
(allegedly to resist piercing I'm told)..

My 1860 Army Conversion .38Spl is nothing but a C&B
revolver built to shoot cartridges. It's lock mechanism
is basically built to bust thin percussion caps and not
thick magnum cartridge primers. Regular CCI small pistol
primers are almost too thick to pop. Have had a few that
took two hits to go off. A few mag primers never did.
They worked ok in my 1956 S&W M&P .38Spl ok though.

It's not that I don't like CCI, they're good primers. I
just can't use in certain weapons with lighter than
normal hammer strikes. In my M4, I use the crap outta the
CCI Small Rifle primers to resist piercing as the 223Rem
is a potent little guy and my M4 has a hard hitting
firing pin guaranteeing a solid hit every time.

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 8:18am | IP Logged Quote Atavist

yup... not only are they are cci small magnum... good point on not using them in specific weapons... saying i'll never get them is a bit knee jerk... the taylor is the only gun this has ever happened with... I've got it posted on armslist now so i guess once it's gone cci primers won't be a concern any longer.
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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 7:39am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well replace it with a big strong Bounty Hunter. It'll
light up any load ya stick in it.

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Back almost 30 years ago, CCI was the only primer I have
ever had a "light" primer hit with Ruger GP or RH. I
switch to Win and have never used them again in
revolvers.

BTW... speaking of primers. Remember back 25+ years ago
when WIN switched from White Box to Blue Box primers.
The white box were nickle plated and on the hard side.
They came out with the Blue box brass coated. If you
read the propaganda from WIN these new brass primers
were supposed to be more sensitive.

As P. Harvey said... Now the rest of the story. The real
story was nickle plating looks good but cost more money
to produce. In addition, the CowBoy Action crowd with
their super light hammer springs just wouldn't set off
WIN nickle primers reliably. CCI was avoided like the
plague from day one. WIN wanted the CowBoy bunch real
bad and soften the primer cups to accommodate. 2 birds
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Why not just call Taylor's and tell them what's going on with the gun and ask
for a new mainspring? Or just buy a new main spring ?

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Posted: 13 December 2017 at 7:27am | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Ranch 13 wrote:
Why not just call Taylor's
and tell them what's going on with the gun
and ask
for a new mainspring? Or just buy a new main
spring ?


Unfortunately I've lost my faith in taylor
customer service. I've sent them several
messages over the last year with product
qurstions, about their 1886, 73, and also
about the short stroke hammer issue, and
before there was an issue about buying a
short stroke hammer to put in my cimarron
frontier.... not once have they responded...
so I'm done trying to contact them.
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Posted: 13 December 2017 at 8:56am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Get a new mainspring from one of the supply houses.

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Posted: 13 December 2017 at 12:48pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

That would probably be the smart thing to
do... but I really want to try out a bounty
hunter... since I trust the cimarron more
now no big loss to flip the taylor for a eaa.

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