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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 8:46am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

It appears this is not a cartridge but rather a sort of
chambering for a normal .223Rem/5.56mm. So what's the
point? Is it really necessary to put correctly made
ammunition into an altered chambering to achieve what?
Oh, I don't know, another way to make a buck perhaps? All
the ridiculous cartridges and chambering that's spewed
forth in the past decade or two is stupid enough, but now
a special cut chamber for a standard cartridge? Come on,
who they kiddin'? Yeah, I know. It's easy to hustle the
Millinials as they'll buy anything "new & special" even
if it's useless but looks cool and hi-tech!

So other than another stab at "fixing what ain't broke",
what's the point other than money? And does it fire form
the cases to another dimension? Does it make you pancakes
in the morning? What?

Guess I'm getting old and grumpy these days. I don't need
an "Ultra short mini magnum 30 caliber super cartridge"
when I can step out with a century old .30'06 and knock
anything flat with it.

Oh well, more stuff to hustle those that are easily
impressed by gadgets and fancy toys...
Going for more coffee. Y'all carry on....

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 10:48am | IP Logged Quote joed

There is nothing more confusing to me then the .223 chambers.   
The .223 seems to be short throated while the 5.56 has a long throat
for the heavy bullets.

My take on the Wylde chamber is it accepts the longer bullets.   It is
supposed to let the owner fire .223 and 5.56 cartridges. Why?   No
idea when it would seem to me all that's needed is the 2 chambers.

I also believe 5.56 is loaded to higher pressure then .223 so the
Wylde chamber is probably a modification for higher pressures.

Edited by joed on 06 December 2017 at 1:17pm


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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 5:52pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

I believe the purpose is for a longer throat so the extra
heavy bullets can be used in the 7 and 8" twist barrels
without jamming them into the lands which can be dangerous.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 6:48pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

no idea on the wylde but i do know that the only difference in tradition 5.56 and the 223 is that the 5.56nato is loaded to higher pressures for military purposes. Anything that can fire 5.56 can fire 223... anything that can fire 223 can fire 5.56 but it isn't good for it... no throat differences that I am aware of... it's not quite 357mag vs 38sp

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 7:06pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

My understanding, for what it's worth, is that rifles chambered in 5.56 NATO have slightly different chamber dimensions to those chambered in .223 Rem. The Wylde is supposed to take some of the chamber dimensions from each. I think the idea is so that you can use either .223 or 5.56 in the Wylde chamber and not see a drop in performance.

I don't know if there is a difference in performance worth going through all the hoops, but there it is. I'm sure that if I'm incorrect on any of this, someone will (politely) point it out to me.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 8:10pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Sounds like marketing hype to me. I'll just stick with my
M4 copy with the 5.56mm 1:8 barrel and be as happy as a
pig in the mud!

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 8:47pm | IP Logged Quote joed

Old Ranger wrote:
Sounds like marketing hype to me. I'll just
stick with my
M4 copy with the 5.56mm 1:8 barrel and be as happy as a
pig in the mud!


I tend to agree. Just go with a rifle that is stamped 5.56 and you're
covered.   

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 10:59am | IP Logged Quote RT58

When I first heard there was a difference between 5.45x45 and .223 Rem. I re-read all my manuals and books to see what I'd missed before, but found nothing about it.

Then I researched it on the internet and this is what I found out:

1 The cartridges had the same outside dimensions but the 5.56 was loaded to a higher pressure.
2 The cartridges were slightly different and the 5.56 wouldn't chamber in a .223.
3 The pressures weren't really different, it just looked that way due to the way in which they were measured.
4 The leade in the 5.56 chamber was longer and reduced pressures, increased velocity and reduced fouling.
5 You shouldn't shoot 5.56 in .223 chambers because the pressure is too high.
6 You shouldn't shoot a regular diet of 5.56 in 5.56 chambers because it beats the gun up.
7 .223 won't function a 5.56 auto due to the lower pressures and wide variety of commercial load data.
8 The leade of the 5.56 is cut to a different angle than the .223 and ruins accuracy.
9 Major competitors shoot match grade bullets out of 5.56 barrels and make all the top scores.
10 The CIP lists their max. pressure as the same for both cartridges since they measure their pressures the same as the Nato standard. There fore their .223 Rem data is the same as that for 5.56.
11 Western powders have loads for the 5.56 that are loaded to higher pressures than the .223.
12Regardless of how your barrel is marked, it may be chambered either way.
13 Regardless of how your ammo is marked, it may be made either way.
14 Brass for the 5.56 is thicker and loads need to be reduced with military cases.
15 Military brass isn't thicker but each manufacturer may vary considerably and loads need to be worked up carefully for any brand of case.
16 etc. etc. etc.

Basically everyone has their own opinion, which disagrees with everyone elses.

Anyway, the Wylde chamber is supposed to make the longer, heavier bullets shoot more accurately out of the "inaccurate" 5.56 chambers. Believe it if you want to.



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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 1:19pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I love it!
I actually laugh out loud at times reading some of the
rhetoric that the "internet genius crowd" spewes out and
expects experienced and educated men, like ourselves, to
buy their drivel !

But thanks guys. As most concluded, the Wylde chambering
is predominantly hype with the goal in mind to drain the
bank accounts of the "Tatic-Cool" crowd selling them
nonessential items so they can say they got this & that
on their black rifle. That bunch cracks me up!

P.T. Barnum was right about "There's a sucker born every
minute."

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 3:32pm | IP Logged Quote nhblaze

223 Rem freebore length measures .0250"
5.56 NATO freebore length measures .0500"
Wylde freebore lenght is .0375"

On RT58's list #1,4,5,8,and 12 are true.

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