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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 6:02pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Curious if anyone has any recommendations for a multi rifle powder with fairly broad application... i realize one powder isn't going to be best across the spectrum of bullet weights and calibers but would like to find a powder that works acceptably well in my wifes 270win, as well as my 30-06 and here's the tuff one my 45-70... i run Varget in my 45-70 and love it... it does ok in the 30-06 with limited application but isn't recommended for 270win at all.

in the 270 I run 130gr exclusively. the 30-06 I am working on loads from 90gr to 220gr. the 45-70 lets just keep it to 300 to 535.. .i'll leave the ball loads out of this.

Tall order i know. Just curious if anyone has any recommendations.
Thanks as always for your input.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 7:05pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Many years ago when I voraciously read reloading manuals for fun, I came to the conclusion that IMR 4064 was probably the best thing going for broad range of cartridges. I loaded very accurate loads in .223 (you basically can't fit enough in the case for an overload) and it's a tad fast for full ballistic potential of the '06 with heavier bullets, but does pretty well with just about everything.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 7:31pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

On the Hodgdon site right now looking at
I'm 4895.. which has loads from 100gr up to
400gr
bullets across a wide range of calibers...
will look at 4064 next.

Thanks for the input.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 7:54pm | IP Logged Quote M700

The .270 and the .30-06 aren't really all that different, so it's entirely possible to choose a powder that works reasonably well in each.

But the 45/70 is a different breed of cat. A straight-walled case that originally took nothing but black powder and a heavy lead bullet, at very modest velocity.

It stands to reason that a cartridge that made its reputation chucking a heavy piece of lead at 1100 fps isn't going to shine with the same powder that makes a 30-06 deliver 2900 fps with a 165 gr bullet...

It's really okay to have two or more different jugs of powder on hand...

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 8:15pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

IMR 4895 is a very versatile powder as well. It's also real good for semi reduced cast loads in rifles. Have used it in several .30 caliber cast rounds to kill deer with.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 8:20pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

If you're not out for screaming hyper speed and mega
blasts, IMR3031 will power everything you got. Long
standing powder with a very stable history.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 10:23pm | IP Logged Quote safari100

4064 is a great multi caliber powder. Varget is also a great powder. I load it in 308 with 165 gr. bullets, 30-06 with 180's and 45-70 with 300 grainers.
Small powder inventories are nice but custom accurate loads are nicer. I inventory RL 15,19,22, Varget, H4831SC, and H4350, and 4064. That is the wonder of reloading for me custom loads for my rifles.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 11:00pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Looking at the data imr 4064 and 4895 are
very close... across the spectrum of bullets
and cartridges from 90gr to 400 gr they are
pretty much more or less 1gr of powder apart
to produce speeds within 100fps and pressures
withing 1000cup... makes it hard to choose
between the two... I think the deal maker may
be that my 30-06 is a rem 7600 carbine. She
only
has an 18" barrel... when loading varget with
165gr bullets much above starting loads had a
lot of muzzle flash... from what I'm reading
4895 is a little faster than 4064... so
thinking I may go that way to try and
maxiMize the 30-06 performance.

... still a tentative decision though... keep
it coming.

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Posted: 06 December 2017 at 11:18pm | IP Logged Quote RB in GA

4350 for the 270 and 3006.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 6:09am | IP Logged Quote Rex

I load 4350 in 30-06, 243 and 6.5x55.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 7:08am | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I have no experience with the 4895 powders at all, but I have read a lot of articles over the years about this "one powder" subject and 4895 gets the node by many. It gives decent velocities in the .270 and .30-06 and certainly is no problem in the .45-70. It is also one that can be used in the gas operated auto actions where slower powders would produce too much pressure on the actions. It is certainly one to put on your list for comparison until you make a final choice.

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For those calibers, Either of the 4895s would work at least ACCEPTABLY well for .30-06 or .270, though neither will give you top velocities with heavier projectiles. I'm inclined to agree with RichHodg66 about IMR-4064. It may not meter particularly well, but it's just about the most versatile propellant I've seen marketed. Since it's slower-burning than either of the 4895s, it'd likely give you better performance with heavier bullets in .270 Win., but still not optimal for heaviest projectiles. I'M a big fan of Varget, as well.

If you think that most of your .270 Win., and .30-06 reloading will involve heavey-for-caliber projectiles, you might want to take a look at IMR-4320. It acts to me like it's a bit longer-legged than IMR-4064. I don't know if it would work AT ALL in .45-70, though.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 7:27pm | IP Logged Quote CDE

I read an article once that I'm still looking
to find again, but the author used Varget for
270 and had really good groups but velocity
wasn't over the usual 3000 fps with 130 gr
bullets. I think it was in a Hodgen yearly
manual.

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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 4:59pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

H/IMR 4895 is one of the most universal. I've used in the
223, 243, 308 and 30-06 with good to excellent results.
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IMR-3031, Benchmark, H335, Accurate 2460s, IMR-8208 XBR, Ramshot TAC, IMR-4895, Alliant RL-12, IMR-4064, Norma 202, Accurate 2520, Alliant RL-15, Varget, Winchester 748, BL-C(2), and CFE223 all seem to cover a wide range of cartridges. The best choice for your particular application(s) will require some experimentation.
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I'd always expected IMR4895 to shine as my most versatile powder, but IMR3031 has surprised me as the best. The 3031 is a top performer in .308 as well as .45/70 and .303 British. It's one of the powders that I buy 8 lbs at a time.

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4895 works ok in all 3 of the cartridges you mention, but isn't optimal in any
of them.

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There is a reason that there are over 100 different
smokeless powders on the market today.

What makes you think you need only 1 ?

Hi, my name is Brian and I'm a powder-a-holic !

   Buy more !

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Ya know, when I started loading my biggest delima was to
use ffG or fffG in a .38Spl. For awhile there, I was
operating solely under the supervision of Uncle Leo. For
you new guys, he's the old man that taught me how to
load. A 310 tool and dies for caliber of choice. And of
course black powder. Uncle Leo believed smokeless powder
was just a phase people were going through.

Ya know, it was easier back then too.

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Posted: 15 December 2017 at 6:40am | IP Logged Quote twillis

Atavist wrote:
Curious if anyone has any recommendations for a multi rifle powder with fairly broad application... i realize one powder isn't going to be best across the spectrum of bullet weights and calibers but would like to find a powder that works acceptably well in my wifes 270win, as well as my 30-06 and here's the tuff one my 45-70... i run Varget in my 45-70 and love it... it does ok in the 30-06 with limited application but isn't recommended for 270win at all.

in the 270 I run 130gr exclusively. the 30-06 I am working on loads from 90gr to 220gr. the 45-70 lets just keep it to 300 to 535.. .i'll leave the ball loads out of this.

Tall order i know. Just curious if anyone has any recommendations.
Thanks as always for your input.



Hodgdon lists 270 loads with Varget using bullets from 100 grs to 140grs. As to be expected, it is not optimal for the 270 but will work. I like H4831SC for the 270, H4350 for the 30.06 and H4198 for the 45/70.

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