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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 3:09pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Sure, I'm not fond of scopes, but this dislike is backed
by some disturbing facts. It began long ago.

Second week in country, I'm designated as a sniper for
the rifle company I'm assigned to in a desolate northern
area. The only Ranger among regular infantry. Fine, but I
had only an M14 for the first two months. Then at an
armory further south I find, and am assigned, a lovely
pre-64 M70 in .30'06. Factory sights. No one in the
entire country had a scope, rings, or base (s) for it...
Wrote my father and he sent me a Redfield 6x scope and a
one piece base with rings. That held me for almost 3
years.

The next time I mount a scope for one of my weapons was
in 2009 on an '06 that had no sights. I'm on my 5th scope
with this rifle. Two crapped out. Two were given to folks
that claimed they can't shoot unless they had a scope.
They said they "needed a scope". Yeah, right... So anyway
I gave away two good scopes to the whiners. And now this
'06 has a nice Bushnell 3x-9x and it does ok...

Now the other deal, and here's where the curse is going
full out against me... Big time!
The cute little black rifle does just dandy with the M4
carrying handle sight system. But the minute I mount a
scope on it and it goes straight into the toilet! The
little Leapers 1.25x-4x-28mm mil-dot scope is solid and
quite hardy. With a medium set of rings, it mounts on the
rail well. But it forces my face into that plastic excuse
of a buttstock and I don't do all that well all the time
with that... And the stock grabs my mustache and yanks on
it almost all the time. Boo hoo huh? So I keep going back
to iron.. It's that or shave off my Tom Selleck mustache!

Today, I mounted a new Redfield Revolution 4x-12x scope
on the M4 with a cantilever type base bolted right onto
the rail. 5" eye relief, and what's more, it's elevated
up off the puny stock. It doesn't make my super cool
mustache any pain by getting yanked out! Cool.

18 rounds later, at 46m, I'm all over the place! I'm
constantly tightening the base to the weapon. Two shots
and the whole thing wiggles! Every time!
It's a curse! I am cursed by scopes! I swear I saw little
gremlins hoping about the shooting bench! One even mooned
meme I think!

So when I went back inside to clean my weapon, that scope
[already loosened] came off and the iron went back on
where it belongs!
If chanting in Latin. Wearing garlic around my neck. And
drinking diet ginger ale would help, I'd try it, but of
course the curse would remain.... So I'll just stick with
my iron sights and use the scopes for something else...

I got it!!
I'll hold one up like a pirate searching for treasure
ships in the Caribbean. "Arrrrr me maties! Thar's a good
wind aft of us lads! Sail ho! Off the larboard bow!
Unless it's me neighbor's wife drying her bloomers again!
Gold dabloons for us all! Arrrr!"




The above was primarily meant as humor. It was not
intended to whiz in anyone's Wheaties.

Hope you laddies had a good chuckle...Arrrrrrrrr!

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 3:23pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Wade, two things:

First, no gun modification, not scope, nothing - is more important than a killer mustache.

Second, you have my respect for using larboard, rather than port.

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 3:46pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Arrrrrrr!

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 4:36pm | IP Logged Quote nagant

I think i changed scopes on my Springfield saint 3 times in   the year i had it. Redfield 1x4 on it now but that scope works/looks so well on my Sako .222 Mannlicher. Took it off the Sako to try a vortex scope but need taller base, but then i bought a El paso weaver 6x so may jungle some more.

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 6:12pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Wade,
My 5.56 wears an old Simmons 3-9x40 in the mounts in the pic. Never loosens or changes zero, or anything other than shoot little groups like the 50 yd. target below.

It does require my eye to be aligned a little closer than normal. But it doesn't show an affinity for my moustache.

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Can't imagine why yours loosens.



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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 6:38pm | IP Logged Quote nagant

Saint butt stocks like beards too.

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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 8:12pm | IP Logged Quote Yeti

You do know that mounting a 1" tube in 30mm rings with a TP as an insert is a
bad idea, right?



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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 10:36pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

I think the problem with scopes arises when
you are formally trained with iron sites... I
was a consistent expert rifle marksman in the
marines and just can't figure out why anyone
would ever want a scope under 300yds... it
restricts your peripheral vision, is eye
relief sensative, and to me is about 5 times
slower for target aquisition and
stabilization.
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Posted: 07 December 2017 at 11:04pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

D.B.F.! That's the battle cry of old submarineers. Diesel
Boats Forever!. Well here in the World of the Old Ranger
it's I.S.R.! Iron Sights Rule!

Scopes? Don't want em no more...
I'm just gonna use em for pirate spy glasses. Drink rum.
Speak in a gravelly English accent with a frozen chicken
on my shoulder. [Live parrots refuse to play] And fly the
Jolly Roger. And make scope gremlins walk the plank!
Arrrrrrr!

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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 5:29am | IP Logged Quote cpg

Now I want to see the "Tom Selleck mustache"!


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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 8:14am | IP Logged Quote M700

Food for thought, from someone who has done a LOT of hunting & shooting. I highly respect ol' Finn Aagaard, now long gone:

“I believe you should have scopes on all your African rifles, even the “heavies.” In the dull light of an early dawn for example, with a black buffalo standing in dark bush 100 yards away across a glade, it is far easier to make out exactly where to place your shot with a good low powered scope than with any form of iron sight.” He also remarked that on this particular rifle he never used the open sights to fire a single shot at a game animal stating that, “There is nothing that they [iron sights] will do at any range, including charges, that a low power scope won’t do as well or better”

For myself, I have rifles with only sights. I have rifles with scopes. I have rifles with both.

Earned my NRA "high master" rank with an iron-sighted .308 Winchester Model 70.

In the Marines, was 12 time expert with the M-16 & irons.

Can't imagine doing a good job of picking off sage rats & prairie dogs at 200+ yards with iron sights...

I know that in dim light, any decent scope provides a huge advantage over fixed sights.

There's a reason our military is moving rapidly to optical sights as the primary sighting method, with irons as the backup. USMC included.

So scopes work, and work extremely well, for those inclined to learn their use. Also - quality of the scope really does count. And it doesn't have to be extraordinarily expensive.

My favorite general purpose hunting scope is a 6x Leupold. I do most of my hunting with that, and have used it from 20 yards to well over 400 yards. Just picked up another 6x Leupold last summer for $300. Simple, rugged, reliable scopes with very bright optics and a terrific "eye box" & eye relief. So easy to use when mounted well...

Last fall I used an older Redfield 2-7x, I think it's around 30 years old. Then I took it to Alaska for grizzly & wolf. What a great old scope! Had it on my 30-06 Rem 700:

black bear at 325 yards, one shot
antelope at 245 yards, one shot
mule deer at 140 yards, one shot drop (needed a finisher)
elk at 338 yards, one shot

wolf at 250 yards or so, one shot
grizzly at 40 yards and less, a few shots. Danged grizzly didn't want to die. Imagine that.

Scopes are here and have been for a very long time. There are problems with scopes now and again, but... there are problems with anything. Fords. Refrigerators. Doors. And scopes. Winchesters.

By and large I really do love having scopes on my rifles, whether for hunting or back when I was a cop. Had a small 1.5-4x Leupold atop my AR-15 patrol rifle - and it's still there. Never had any trouble with that setup, and a set of sights are also on that rifle.

Guy


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Posted: 08 December 2017 at 7:43pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

You guys need to shave.

And thanks to Guy I purchased a 6X Leupold   

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Posted: 09 December 2017 at 7:56am | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

I have several Nikon 6x42 scopes and they are very nice too.



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Posted: 09 December 2017 at 9:09am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Sounds like some of y'all are defending your scopes and
such. Guys, this thread was meant to be fun. A "Laugh
along with Wade" in his continuing misadventures in the
world of gun glass. For the past 8 years my association
with scopes HAS been a series of misadventures.
I don't own 25 or more long guns. I've got 2 rimfires, an
AR, m92 levergun, a 50cal ML, and that one 30'06 with a
scope on it. That's it along with an old 870 in 20ga. So
there's no huge safe here filled with mountains of guns.
Only one that must use a glass as it has no sights of
it's own.

I thought my calamity of errors and mishaps with recent
redundant events goofing with glass on my new AR15 would
be amusing. Apparently I was not entirely correct. But
I'm neither upset not discouraged that scopes fail me.
I'm laughing at it as it's not the end of the world as we
know it. Nope, just another goofed up thing in my part of
the planet that I thought would raise a laugh....

Ok, I'm taking my pirate spyglass, that looks very much
like a 4x-12x scope, and sailing off to the unknown in
search of buried treasure. Arrrrrrrrr!

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Posted: 09 December 2017 at 10:57am | IP Logged Quote M700

Oh, I got, and enjoyed your humor!

But decided it was a decent place to make an argument for scopes, on general purpose hunting rifles.

A number of folks just can't stop bad-mouthing scopes - and I don't get it. A good scope is clearly an advantage.

So ya, I made my argument.

But yer right Pirate! Arrr!
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Posted: 09 December 2017 at 11:21am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

I got it...

- closest thing on here to a pirate.

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Posted: 09 December 2017 at 11:39am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Arrrrrrr...
Once saw a whale floundering ashore in the bay. I shouted
"That she blows! Ready the harpoon mates! She's a big un!
We'll get 75 barrels off all that blubber!"
As it turned out it was me mother-in-law at the time
sunbathing at the beach. Just goes to show don't
use cheap scopes for pirate spy glasses!
Arrrrrrr!



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Posted: 09 December 2017 at 11:57am | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Hahahahaha!

Sounds like my sister in law. Last time she went to the beach, workers from the local aquarium kept pouring buckets of saltwater over her until they found someone with a boat big enough to drag her out to sea.

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Posted: 09 December 2017 at 12:56pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

Hard to imagine Tom Selleck as a pirate.... has he ever played a bad guy?
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Posted: 09 December 2017 at 2:27pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I don't think Tom Selleck even knows how to play a bad
guy. If he tried, his mustache wouldn't let him.

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