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Posted: December 20 2017 at 10:22am | IP Logged Quote Abram

I have a Ruger VLE in 308 and right now it is topped with a 10x power scope. IF a person wanted to get into long range shooting, say 500-1000 yards what would be the highest power scope you would use? I have read several threads were people who supposedly shoot long range use nothing bigger than a 16x scope and there reasoning sounds logical but seeing as I have never done this I wanted opinions from some of you that do.
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Posted: December 20 2017 at 11:17am | IP Logged Quote joed

The people I know that shoot that far use 30x to 45x.   I don't know
how they do at the game though. Maybe others will have better
answers.

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Posted: December 20 2017 at 9:38pm | IP Logged Quote fire4200

F-Class Target Dimensions
X ring      5.0" diameter
10 ring      10.0"
9 ring      20.0"
8 ring      30"
7 ring      44"
6 ring      60"
5 area      6 foot square

If tour rifle is moa at 100 than a 1000yd shot should be
10in group

Curently leupold current highest power scope 42x
https://www.leupold.com/scopes/rifle-scopes/vx-6-7-42x56mm
34mm main tube
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Posted: December 21 2017 at 1:05pm | IP Logged Quote M700

It really depends on what kind of long-range competition you want to do.

There's benchrest. I've never competed in BR competition. The guys who do, tend to favor very powerful scopes.

There's F-Class, which is a specialized version of Hi-Power prone competition. It's become very popular in the past 15 years or so. Rest the rifle on a serious bipod (basic Harris bipod isn't going to cut it) or on a rifle rest. Shoot 600 - 1,000 yards. Very demanding sport, and interesting.

There's conventional prone competition in which the shooter uses only a sling to stabilize the rifle. That's what I competed in, making my way to "High Master" ranking. Sometimes I shot with a set of very nice match sights, and sometimes I used a scope. The scopes I used were either a 12x Leupold (which I really liked) and a 6.5-20x Leupold. Quite often though I used a 4.5-14x Leupold which also worked well.

Interestingly, I actually shot better scores with the sights than with the scope!

There's also the newer "PRS" or Precision Rifle Series - which is more sniper-like/practical. Targets at various ranges from fairly close to way the heck out there, even beyond 1,000 yards. Time limits, odd shooting positions. Shooting from barricades, simulated roof-tops, etc... Very interesting! We run some of those matches at my club, but I haven't done an actual PRS match yet. I did used to compete in the predecessor to PRS, a wide variety of "tactical/practical" rifle matches. Sometimes I did well, sometimes not so hot. It was always fun though.

I've got a 6-24x Vortex on my match rifle right now. It's showing good promise, though perhaps not the best choice, particularly since it used the second focal plane. Great glass though, and so far the windage & elevation adjustments have been spot on. I hope to be using it soon, in a 600 yard match.

So - do a little research - figure out what kind of LR competition you'd like to try...

A good website, focused on long-range precision, with a lot of info on rifles, loads and scopes is:

6mm BR

Regards, Guy
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Posted: December 21 2017 at 1:09pm | IP Logged Quote M700

BTW - with a good 10x, you should be able to do just fine at 500 - 800 yards. Perhaps beyond that. Try some longish range shooting with it and see what you think.

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M700 wrote:


Interestingly, I actually shot better scores with the
sights than with the scope!

Regards, Guy


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lightheaded. I think I did faint from the shock....
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Posted: December 22 2017 at 7:01pm | IP Logged Quote Atavist

For my part.. I want a bipod with anything
over 10x for stability... anything above 16x
I am useless with unless it's hard mounted on
a swivel... that said, most guns and optics
will outperform the shooter and expensive
guns and optics are no replacement for good
training. I used to have a $90 Mosin with a
$200 Millet 4-16x60, on a $10 bipod and it
was pretty well impossible to miss a milk jug
inside 800yrds using surplus ammo.

I always vote to get damn good with iron
sites up to 500yds (Marine standard) before
you look to a scope or rifle upgrade to give
you more distance.
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Posted: December 23 2017 at 7:47am | IP Logged Quote RT58

I've never shot in any competition, but have shot varmints at those distances. The amount of magnification you would need would depend on what you are trying to hit. But there is more to it than just magnification, such as the exit pupil and overall quality of the lenses and workmanship. I prefer cheap, variable power scopes with the highest magnification I can get, but that is just because it suits my varmint hunting purposes better. My scoped, non-varmint hunting rifles, have different purposes and different optical choices.

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Posted: December 23 2017 at 11:10am | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I am impressed with the fairly new Vortex line of scopes. They have been out for a few years now, but I consider them still fairly new I guess. Everyone of them that I have checked out in the stores were crystal clear. I have several friends that like them just as well as their Leupolds and would want nothing else.

They start just under $200 and have a very large number of types and power ranges in both 1" and 30mm. The price ranges all the way up to well over $3,000.

I likely have all the scopes that I need now, and many are cheaper scopes, but I would certainly like to check out the Vortex scopes if I were needing another high quality scope.

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The biggest problem with high magnification at long range, that high-power
also magnify's the mirage, and that can really make a mess out of things.
Most of us that shoot long range Blackpowder Target with scope use a 6 for 8
x scope.

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Posted: December 26 2017 at 10:47am | IP Logged Quote Abram

I am not really looking to compete right now mostly just want to learn how to do and try to do it. Perhaps in the future I could compete. Thanks for all of thr advice
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I like RT58's answer because I've traveled the same road. From
the time I was in my 20's a group of us started varmint shooting
here in Ohio.   I've never shot competitively. But I have shot
groundhogs to at least 800 yards.

Because of groundhogs being about the size of a large house cat
my scopes tend to be fixed and 24x or 36x power.   Mirage isn't
much of a problem here unless the barrel gets hot.   I do have one
variable scope, a Leupold VXII that is 6x18 that I use occasionally
and it works well.      

I'm a firm believer in quality glass. Whatever you decide on get
quality.



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Posted: January 01 2018 at 10:06am | IP Logged Quote fire4200

I used to buy the cheap hundred-dollar scopes until
I bought my first Leopold vx3 got addicted to the
glass and could not use the cheaper Scopes anymore
I currently have a Leopold Mark 8 on my 50 BMG and
I have a Leupold Mark 8 on my 338 Lapua and a
Leupold Mark 4 on my 300 Win Mag
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