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Posted: December 30 2017 at 5:58pm | IP Logged Quote joed

I've noticed more and more on forums that there is an increasing amount of people that do not reload.   Seems like that number has increased the last 2 years.   In 39 years I can honestly say I doubt I have
purchased more then 10 boxes of factory ammo.    8 of those were for a .35 Remington that I inherited and 2 were for a .40 S&W.     

If it weren't for reloading I don't know what I'd do.    



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I quit the shotgun, just don't shoot it that much anymore and the price of shot hasn't made it all that appealing.
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I believe that younger shooters that are just getting
into the sport of firearms are joining forums about
shooting. Many don't reload as they're either just
getting into the sport or are of the mindset of the youth
of today. Society is becoming more "get it instantly"
attitude due to internet, social behavior, and impatience
of youth today. Why spend hours building ammo when you
can go to Academy and buy it? I'm quite sure that well
over half of the youngsters now buy an AR15 or a 9mm and
simply point in the general direction of the target and
mearly bust off as many rounds as the weapon holds as
fast as they can. Why would they care to build ammo? The
others that actually aim and shoot deliberately, may one
day take up reloading as they advance their skills
shooting factory ammo.

In the past 6 months I've trained four people in the
art/science of reloading. Their goal is more accurate
ammo built at a savings. The time most involved spent in
the shooting sport for them range from 6 to 10 years.
Even serious shooters don't immediately start reloading.

Anyway, that's my take on it.

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Posted: December 31 2017 at 1:14am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Part of this is that the reloading industry worked itself out of a job. People reloaded to make either cheaper or better ammo,or to feed something that is in an obscure or rare chambering, and ammunition manufacturers listened and responded. Ammo for things people shoot a lot of, think 5.56 and all the auto pistol ammo, can now be bought in bulk packs that you're going to have a tough time reloading for on a cost effective basis to beat the price of. This is also true for the bulk packs of cheap shells to break clay birds with, you can't buy the shot to load 100 rounds of 12 gauge shells for what you can buy a bulk pack at Wal Mart for.

As for better ammo, there seem to be way, way more offerings of premium types of rifle ammo out there for any purpose a hunter could need.

The other reason someone would reload would be if they had some kind of uncommon caliber rifle, like a lot of the more obscure milsurps out there and PPU (what used to be Hansen) makes good, boxer primed, noncorrosive stuff for all of them and some commercial cartridges as well. When I got a .303 Savage a while back, I got a batch of PPU brass for it, would have been tough to find otherwise, but they sell loaded ammo for it too.

The openings of so many big box stores like Academy Sports seems to have made a wider and cheaper variety of factory ammo available to more shooters.

All these things were, I think, in response to shooters wanting more from ammo manufacturers, which was the reason most of them reloaded in the first place.

The argument that we live in an instant gratification society has merit too, everything has to be right now anymore.

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Posted: December 31 2017 at 2:59am | IP Logged Quote M700

I sure hadn't noticed it fading away, but who knows?

How are the assorted handloading-related companies doing?

Hodgdon, Alliant, Ramshot?

Sierra, Nosler, Hornady, Speer

I don't hear much about Speer anymore. Always liked their handgun bullets and some of their rifle bullets.

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I use a lot of Nosler bullets and they seem to be in strong production, though there are a couple of favorites that have proven hard to find during the past couple of years. They came back from a big fire at the plant several years ago. It's beautiful now. I stop in once in a while, as I pass through Bend, Oregon.

My buddies and I sure do a lot of handloading still.


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I don't think for a moment that reloading has faded away. I believe it's more an
affect of folks that have been doing it for some time have found their loads and
just don't bother with posting on some forums about it.
There are a handful of other forums around that have very active reloading
sections.
There is some affect of the black rifle thing, now that the ammo shortage has
eased it's self, that it's just as easy to order in a case of 500, 223's, 9mm etc
that will shoot just as well as reloaded ammo without the bother, and not much
if any price difference between store-bought and home made ammo.

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Posted: December 31 2017 at 8:49pm | IP Logged Quote nagant

Seemed to me there was a surge about 6 or 7 yrs ago due to a panic over impending laws, real or imagined take your pick. A lot of those people are still reloading now that powder resurfaced. local shops seem busier to me also, and are carrying more reloading gear.

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Posted: January 01 2018 at 3:33pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Ranch 13 - I was just thinking that.

To me, there seems to be a LOT of new shooters, mostly with various 9mm pistols & .223/5.56 AR-15 type rifles, and they're not yet handloading.

9mm & .223 can be so cheap to shoot, that it makes a certain amount of sense to just buy a case of whatever ya need. Particularly if time & space are tight, as they are for many younger folks.

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Posted: January 01 2018 at 3:44pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Guy the 223 thing is an twisted trail for sure. I go thru several hundred if not
thousands of 223's a year, between our prairie dog rifles and my AR. I don't
think I can reload those and get much better results, than just buying a case at
a time. My FN AR shoots the better end of the factory match loads so well it's
not worth the effort to try and build.
At one time before the prices on everything went up, a fella I knew was buying
the Black Hills match ammo for his Rem 700 varmint rifle. We built some loads
for it that would equal those for accuracy, but the price difference was
minimal, especially if we figured our time at the bench.
9mm's and 45 acp, much the same way.

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I'll have to say that when it comes to 9mm & 45 acp prices
are down so much I don't know why I reload them.
But then there are round I can reload cheaper, 44-40, 38-40, 45 Colt, 44 SPL and in rifle rounds there are many such as 38-55, 340 WBY, 300 RUM, 220 swift, 25-06 and a few others I'm sure.
Hey, what the heck else do I have to do at my age...
Now I just have to find the travel & time to shoot all of them!   

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I reload because I like shooting ammo I have made and I like reloading. Randy
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I don't know where you guys find cheap ammo. Or perhaps I
should ask what you consider cheap? Me? Well I ain't
found ammo that costs equal to, or less than what I load
for myself. QUALITY AMMO is what I'm talking about not
Russian steel cased stuff but good brass cased jacketed
spire points or well made RNFP or SWC lead pistol loads.
Have not seen quality ammo that compairs to my own loads
for less than twice the cost for the accuracy and
performance I build for my few weapons.

There is no one building .44Spl or .44Mag that can
compete with what I load for three times my cost. My
.45ACP loads are half the cost of store bought, and just
as accurate if not more so. In the 5.56mm/223Rem world
the good rounds cost an average of $0.75 a round. I build
as good or better for $0.24 a round, and that includes
the cost of brass. $0.21 when I load my own brass.

And as far as projectiles in my loads to what is offered
off the shelf? Forget about it! No one is selling the
lead rounds like the Ideal 357446, 358250, 358429, or
360271 in either .38Spl or .357Mag. And no one sells the
Ideal 429360 in .44Spl or .44Mag. And store bought
.45Colt is ridiculous at almost a dollar a round!

Yeah, I don't know where you guys find cheap quality ammo
already made. In my world no one builds low cost quality
ammo around here but me.
Guess I just don't know where to look huh?

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STCM(SW) wrote:
I'll have to say that when it comes to 9mm & 45 acp
prices
are down so much I don't know why I reload them.
But then there are round I can reload cheaper, 44-40, 38-40, 45 Colt, 44 SPL
and in rifle rounds there are many such as 38-55, 340 WBY, 300 RUM, 220
swift, 25-06 and a few others I'm sure.
Hey, what the heck else do I have to do at my age...
Now I just have to find the travel & time to shoot all of them!   


Exactly.

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Well folks my post above will probably be my last post you can chase your self around your little circle all day long if you wish. Thank you very much Randy
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dahlin wrote:
I reload because I like shooting ammo I have made and I like
reloading. Randy


Guess I don't know anybody that doesn't like shooting the ammo they reload.
But in some applications reloading just isn't a viable option. From spring to fall
we go thru somewhere between 100-300 rounds of .223's a week. Buying by
the case we get the remanufactured ammo in for under 40 cents. It would cost
me 25 cents per round just for powder primer and bullets, and the doesn't take
into consideration my time. Besides all that that is the time of the year when
we also go thru several hundred rounds of bpcr ammo, and that all is hand
crafted.

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The question of reloading versus buying factory
ammunition is one that I have observed on a number of
forums in the last few years.

It is a complicated issue that has no easy answers, when
one considers the cost of quality equipment, buying a
supply of components, at least two or three manuals, and
a good amount of time to be confident with the various
steps of actually reloading ammunition.

If one has a mentor then they have a big step up in the
learning process. There is the measure of the man who
wants to be involved in reloading from the beginning of
involvement. Through the many years I have been involved
with reloading there has been many fellows that wanted me
to teach them reloading, I always to the best of my
ability tried to judge their willingness to learn the
many things that are needed to be safe and successful.

I have always been most interested in accurate firearms
and ammunition to use in them; I have always enjoyed the
hobby of reloading for its own sake. I am with the Old
Ranger that premium ammunition sure is not cheap by any
means. I have through the years tried different brands of
premium ammunition just to have a comparison to my
reloads, there have definitely been some of the premium
rounds that are very respectable however, none of them
matched the loads I have developed for the respective
calibers I own.

For those of us who have amortized our equipment many
times over I believe you can reload cartridges quite a
bit cheaper then factory when talking larger rifle
calibers.

I for one certainly have no argument with those shooters
that are willing to buy factory ammo in calibers that can
be purchased reasonably.


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dahlin wrote:
Well folks my post above will probably be my last post you can chase your self around your little circle all day long if you wish. Thank you very much Randy


I'd not like to see you leave. My apologies if we in some way offended.

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My hunting rifles mostly get handloads, as does my 308 Win target rifle. Once in a great while I'll shoot some factory ammo through one of them, just out of curiosity. It's interesting sometimes to see how well my handloads stack up.

I think a lot of us here have gray hair, and remember the days when any decent handload was superior to any factory ammo... That's not always the case anymore. I've been real surprised and impressed with some of the factory ammo I've used, or seen used, at the gun club.

There are several types of factory ammo I buy:

17 HMR & 22 rimfire of course

12 & 20 ga shotshells (I just don't want to get into shotshell loading in addition to my other loading)

30-30 rifle - mostly I handload, but there always seems to be a few boxes of factory loads here. Rem 170 gr soft point ammo shoots pretty well from my 30-30 rifle.

223 Rem - Often will have a thousand rounds or so of 55 gr FMJ Federal American Eagle brand, or something similar here. The stuff works great through my AR-15, for what I do. I can load more accurate ammo, but, this stuff works fine.

9mm - I've usually found 9mm ammo to be pretty inexpensive and lately it's been selling here for about $8/box for 50 cartridges! That's Blazer Brass, in either 115 or 124 gr weights. I was impressed with that price and scooped up quite a bit of it for my son and I. We don't shoot the 9's a lot, but that was just too good a price to pass on. It works great through his Glock and my Kahr. Plenty accurate for range practice and I can reload the brass if I'd like.

.45 ACP - haven't found that kind of a bargain, not like the 9mm stuff, but I will keep a few boxes of 230 gr factory FMJ ammo around. Usually Federal American Eagle. Mostly though, I handload my 45 ammo.

Having some factory ammo around doesn't mean I'm not busy handloading for those cartridges I want to handload. My 30-06, 25-06, 308 Win, 204 Ruger, the 375 H&H... Those all get a steady diet of the best handloads I can make.

The .44 mag revolver gets almost entirely handloads. Factory ammo for it seems to be very expensive.

The 357 mag usually gets handloaded 38's but I carry factory 357 hollowpoint ammo in it normally.

Just depends. Sometimes it's not worth the time to handload, but usually I enjoy the heck out of it. I've been handloading since I was a little kid, and intend on continuing it as long as I'm shooting. One son is pretty interested in it as well and I'll sometimes find him cranking out 45 ammo in my "gun room." That's nice to see.

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Reloading gives me more choices with my ammo, whether the retail store shelves are full or empty. If the store shelves are well stocked, I can experiment and innovate. If the shelves are more barren, I can revert to what I know works, and keep shooting.

A modest outlay of funds gives the reloader everything they need to feed their firearms without having to depend on unpredictable supply chains. I suspect we haven't seen the last of those.
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A good many of my friends reload or at least they have and could easily take it back up if their quantity of shooting or the availability of ammo should dictate it. Some only load up a few boxes of ammo here and there for hunting, but they don't target shoot all that much. And there are a few that shoot very often and they reload exclusively for their sport (Cowboy Action).

I started reloading in 1973 when I turned 21 and was able to buy my first handgun (Flattop Blackhawk .44 mag.). I bought probably 6 or 8 boxes of factory ammo before I decided that I could not afford to shoot as much as I wanted to, thus I taught myself to reload with the help of any article that I could get my hands on in gun rags. I certainly wish we had the inter net back then. Where was Al Gore when I needed him?

I then found out that I was shooting a whole lot more, but my expense was still more than I could afford so I learned to cast my own bullets. Finally I could shoot all that I wanted without busting my budget. In the process, I found that I could load ammo that was much more accurate than any factory ammo that I had found. And of course, eventually I bought a few weapons that required unique ammo or bullet sizes that just was not available. Thus reloading was the saving grace for those guns.

I agree than now days, there is a lot of Premium type ammo out there, especially for rifles, that is hard to beat as far as accuracy is concerned. I think we can still reload that quality of hunting type ammo at about half price or even a bit less so I normally do not buy any factory ammo. Full metal jacketed military type .223 or 9mm, etc. might be a good buy from the factory at times when one considers all the effort involved in reloading for the same results.

I am required to fire factory ammo for my yearly LEOSA firearms qualifications so I do buy one box of .38 Special ammo each year to fire in my Model 66 S&W. This last year it cost me $21 at Wal-Mart for 50 rounds. I can reload a box of .38 Special with my cast bullets for about $3 and actually get better accuracy. Yep, I will continue to reload and I suspect that if things continue like they are in California and other states where ammo is now going to be regulated and taxed heavily, more and more will be willing to join us in the hobby of reloading.

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