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Posted: January 03 2018 at 1:39pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I cast and reload my 38/357 for fun and savings plus reloading lets me have plenty of good ammo for the old 6.5x55 Swede.
Everyone says "don't push that old Swede too hard and I agree but where do you draw the line? My Lyman book form the '70s lists a lot livelier loads than my Hornady book that is probably from the '80s or some of the other data. I've always considered the Lyman 45 data to be OK but am still hesitate to use it. Both claim to use a model 94 Swede like mine to work up the data.
I'd appreciate everyone's opinion on this.

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Posted: January 03 2018 at 2:50pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Rex, sort of average the data out, start low and work up, keep an eye on the
target , when the group says good enough, you've found the spot... Unless
you've been using the same load data for ever, then just keep on keeping on, at
least that's what I do.

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Posted: January 03 2018 at 4:15pm | IP Logged Quote dahlin

Rex I had planned on not posting any more but I feel this is important The old Lyman book from way back when was before they had the sensitive pressure testing equipment hope this helps Randy
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Posted: January 03 2018 at 4:48pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Thanks fellows.
Randy, the '70s just seems like yesterday to me.
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Posted: January 03 2018 at 5:20pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I think you could load that Swede pretty mild and be just fine for deer. I'd take Ranch's advice and shoot what shoots most accurately.

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Posted: January 03 2018 at 5:58pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

dahlin wrote:
Rex I had planned on not posting any more but I feel this is
important The old Lyman book from way back when was before they had the
sensitive pressure testing equipment hope this helps Randy


Yes but what to do when a person has been using data from that book and
older versions from when they were hot off the press, and the load works just
as well today as it did then?

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Posted: January 03 2018 at 6:48pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Fellows, I've been loading out of the Hornady book. 140 grain SST bullet over 43 grains IMR 4350. I just see that the Lyman book does a little better but they use more IMR 4320. I will drop to a lighter bullet when these are gone to up the velocity some. In this short 17.5 inch barrel my present load goes 2430 fps over my chronograph. The speed is enough for deer but at that FPS the bullet doesn't perform as well as I think it should. I'll get trigger time with these then go to a lighter bullet for better performance. Surprisingly this fast twist, long throat does seem to shoot with a lighter bullet. At least some 129 grainers I've tried and even the little 85 grain Sierra that I played with.
I just noticed that I could push the 140 a little faster with the Lyman data but I haven't tried it.
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Posted: January 03 2018 at 6:52pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

For what it's worth, I started loading with the Hornady 3rd Edition which I think is the one from the '80s Rex mentions, and in my experience and comparing, it's always been rather conservative compared to most. Ranch is right, if that was good data then, it's good data now. Of course, it's always prudent to start with the starting loads and work up.

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Posted: January 03 2018 at 7:14pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

This whole deal of the manuals and loads is mostly the result of an old man setting around reading reloading books because it's too cold to go out and do anything.
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Posted: January 03 2018 at 7:41pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Rex have you thought about using the interloc bullet rather than the set's?
Those SSt's are I believe designed for higher velocity than what the swede
works so well at.


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Posted: January 03 2018 at 8:09pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Don, I think you are right and I haven't tried them yet but I will. Kids get in trouble when they don't have enough to do and that is kinda where I'm at this winter.
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Posted: January 03 2018 at 8:18pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Rex I hear ya. But we got over 30 degrees today, so there is some relief
headed your way, but the weather guessers say it's back to snow Saturday
night and colder sunday and beyond.
My friend I referenced earlier in this thread got hot and heavy into the 260
rem. Used it to good affect on a few really nice elk and deer with the Sierra
Game Kings, then he got wound up and opened the chamber to an Ackley
type, but he stuck with the Sierra's.
I think todays shooter gets to wound up on velocity and bullets that are
designed for the high velocity, but often over look the success of the old tried
and true cup and core bullets.

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Posted: January 04 2018 at 8:12am | IP Logged Quote Rex

I think you are right Don. Sierra game kings shoot well out of my rifle but are hard to come by locally. I got caught up in the old "140 grain bullets are all that will work in that fast twist Mauser" The short barrel doesn't throw them fast enough to get the performance out of a 140 grain that I want. They are pretty much same hole in and same hole out. My first try will be a 120 grain Sierra which I expect will give a little over 2600 from my rifle.
At any rate it's fun to mess with.
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 9:27am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

It's always fun having a gun around to experiment with different loads on. I
have a 32-40 Ballard that needs some more fiddling around with, but finding
the time is the big problem.

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I have time, ambition is a killer for me.
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Gotcha both beat.

Got the time.
Got the ambition (mostly)
But don't have the money!
Ain't nuthin cheap no more!

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Posted: January 04 2018 at 1:34pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

And Randy, I'm still using the Sierra manual I bought new
[odd, it's a first edition ] and Lyman and Ideal
manuals from the 50's like #38 [1951] and my favorite #39
[1953] with a great reprint from an ancient Ideal
Handbook from the turn of the century listing gear from
then. And a couple things from long ago I still use and
rely upon. Lyman 48th is as new as I have other than a
2014 Alliant book.

Edit: Lyman #44 & #45 are almost identical with #45
showing some newer calibers. Those two I still load from
a lot. ALWAYS from a starting load and go up from there
until it shoots tight. Then I lock that load in and don't
change. Best loads are always below max anyhoo. Ain't
rocket science.

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Posted: January 04 2018 at 4:25pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

We hit 42 today and I almost shot the rifle but when I left the house I grabbed the S&W 357 instead. Habit I guess.
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Posted: January 04 2018 at 6:09pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

We hit 45 for just a short bit this afternoon, but I spent the day trying to get ice
out of the horse tank, and off the sidewalks.
I need to get busy getting ammunition loaded for the big match in Phoenix this
march,.

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Posted: January 04 2018 at 7:53pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Wish you fellows held one of those matches at old FT. Laramie. Perfect spot and I could go watch.
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