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Posted: January 02 2018 at 10:37am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup, I must be getting senile and going backwards. Or
maybe just gone full circle. We Lakota find a circle has
the best power...

Learned to load .45Colt with an old plumb brown steel
310. Sized cast rounds with the 310 sizing chamber too.
Loaded BP from a flask. That was in the 50's as a boy
with my great uncle. Graduated to a C press and an old
turret in the 60's. Used smokeless powder too. Got a big
RCBS Jr O press to supplement the old Lyman Spartan and
Spar-T. Why at one point I even had a progressive press
that lasted a whole day before I destroyed it for
multiple failure. But the old Lyman presses did me well.
Still do. But a few years back I got to missing the old
simple pleasure of those tong tools.

Today, everything I load is often loaded on the old
310s. Oh I might use the bench mounted press to resize
pistol cases most of the time. [.45ACP FL can be done on
a 310, but takes a lot of strength. Stroke took much of
that from me] And rifle loads are fun and no slower than
with a single stage press. The expansion chamber (bells
the case) for the .38Spl/.357Mag is actually better
defined and smoother than the old Lyman AA or RCBS dies.
Seating and crimping is smoother as well. Same with the
.44Spl/.44Mag. And the .45Colt, with it's notorious thin
brass is much better controlled with a 310.

.30'06, both cast and jacketed are a dream to load on a
310. .243Win is easier on the tong tool guided dies. And
the big 45-70, well that one is like a very long 45Colt.
Easy... Just recently, with my getting one of the now
ever so popular AR15 carbines, I naturally wanted to
load it too with the 310. Lyman never made a .223Rem set
of dies for a 310. However, they made .222Rem back some
50 years ago. They work great! And before the squeak and
squack about necksized auto loader stuff, if you're
loading only for one rifle. Avoid extreme loads. And
keep a clean weapon, why you'll do just fine. FL on
a bench about every 3 loads. Never an issue.

All my gear fits in a standard tool box. Inside are 4
tong tools, dies for every centerfire weapon I shoot
[except the 20ga.] Bullet sizing chambers for all I cast
for. A 1904 Ideal No.5 powder measure. A 1950's Herters
scale. And associated tools to operate. It houses
everything but powder, bullets, and primers.

I can load the following at a bench, kitchen table, or a
patch of dirt in the woods:

.222Rem
.223Rem
.222Rem Mag
.243Win
.30'06Spr
.45-70Govt
.38LColt
.38Spl
.357Mag
.44 Rus
.44Spl
.44Mag
.45ACP
.45AR
.45Scol
.45Colt

And size all cast rounds but the .22 centerfires and the
.243Win.

Yup, I believe I've gone full circle with my loading
gear. It's not slower than a single stage press if ya
know what you're doing, and loads super accurate rounds
too.
Paul Newman once remark "I've heard people say
'Nostalgia ain't what it used to be.' And they're wrong.
It's better." Paul, I couldn't agree more.
And if some of y'all think I'm boring and repetitive,
well that's ok. I'm old enough now to be classified as a
colorful eccentric. How bout that? if y'all like
I can photo some of this stuff so for those who only
seen a 310 in a loading manual can see what the gear
really looks like beyond line drawings. And if not, I'll
shut up and go back to loading with my ancient tools..


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Posted: January 02 2018 at 12:39pm | IP Logged Quote joed

I have no idea what a 310 is.   Throw me a bone here.

When I started I purchased a Lee Loader for the .25-06 and loaded
with that.   I still have it in fact, it worked and it worked well.

But, 2 years later I bought a Rock Chucker.   After 39 years I still use
it for most things.

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Posted: January 02 2018 at 2:28pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well of course my phone takes huge pictures and I can't
shrink em enough to post. Spiffy!
I'm working on it....

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Posted: January 02 2018 at 2:40pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

While going through my Dad's stuff, who was quite a single shot rifle collector years ago, I found a set of 310 dies, .25-20 Single Shot. That's an obscure thing.

I have a whole set up for .22 Hornet, just haven't dived in yet. They are pretty neat.

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Posted: January 02 2018 at 4:24pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

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The basic dies and tool.

Left to right:
Depriming chamber, universal with old tools. Newer models
1960 or so have combination resizing/recapping die.
Muzzle resized (necksizing die)
Expansion chamber (flairs case neck)
Priming chamber. A real handy device.
Seating & crimping chamber. (Very precise)

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The cases are easily worked in the tool. Since this
system predates the press we use today more or less, the
method is almost identical in use.
Neck is lubed with light oil, or wax. Been using neutral
boot polish and has served well for decades.
Punch out spent primer. Resize. The neck is sized more
than today's dies thus all cases are required to be
opened and flaired for bullet seating. The priming
chamber is unique as it's one half of a die that the case
fits perfectly. As the tool is closed it presses a ram
with the primer atop it into the primer pocket.
Powder it up then drop the bullet in place. Close the
tool and that's it. A precision loaded round.

From start to finish I can load a 20 round box of .30'06
in well under 25 minutes. If loads are kept within reason
FL resizing is never needed. Only with auto loaders is FL
work needed to insure good function. About every three
loads a FL resizing is needed.

Where this system shines is there's zero banging or
pounding like with the Lee loader. There are two sizes of
tools. One has a longer threaded boss than the other.
Large for rifle and small for pistol and small rifle.
A removable case guide fits into the handle to guide
cases in use. Numbered like the Lyman shell holders,
these devices help with loading. The earlier steel tong
tools were caliber specific or based on case diameter.

The bullet sizing chamber is a very accurate die with a
piston-like fitted plunger with bullet casting number
nose punch.

Some years back one could buy a complete set of dies and
handles, or larger sets with powder measure [#55] Lyman
scale. A bullet casting set was also available with a
dipper, iron pot, mould and handle with matching sizing
chamber and punch.

Lots of good stuff from the old days that are more than
just "vintage gear" but precision made tools of serious
use.

Edit: stinkin computer junk! Can't post a picture!
Did I ever mention I hate computers?

Edited by Old Ranger on January 02 2018 at 4:30pm


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Posted: January 02 2018 at 7:42pm | IP Logged Quote M700

310 is a hand press. A very cool hand press.

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Posted: January 02 2018 at 8:15pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

I'll stick with my Rock Chucker....

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Posted: January 02 2018 at 9:16pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I give up. Can't get pictures to go through. I'm more old
school than I thought.

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Wade, don't worry about the pictures I found it on Youtube. Kind of
neat.

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Posted: January 03 2018 at 9:56am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I started with the Lee loader 38sp kit thingy but too much work so I too got a Lyman sparten press and I wish I still had it for small work. I love the Reading T7 I use now for most reloading. Set up at the beginning and reload till your done. Never having to change dies is really cool. Craig

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Posted: January 08 2018 at 4:00pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well back to the 310 gear.

Recently, the .223Rem/5.56mm NATO loading has returned to
the Old Ranger's bench. The Hornady American Series dies
I got in that caliber has done excellent work. But y'all
know me, Mr. I Load All I Shoot With a 310. And that
applies to the 223.

222Rem 310 dies are perfect for 223Rem. Same everything
with this set of dies. Have loaded several rounds of 55gr
SPBT and 62gr FMJ. Today, after another weapon was fired
a bit, I fired some .223 off the 100m bench with my open
sighted AR15. All loads were 100% made with the 310 tong
tool & dies. A well centered 1 3/4", 3 shot
group was punched 1 1/2" above the 10 ring. Just where I
want em for a 190m zero for a Battle Sight Zero with this
weapon. And an inch and three quarters may not sound
impressive with most, but this was a test load with the
new Rx7 and I'm still tinkering with it.

Another Old School bit I use is the Lyman #55 or the
older No.5 slide measurements. The details would take up
too much in this post to describe, but basically the
graduated numbers on the slides are volumetric measure
for black powder. If you have an old Ideal Handbook or
similar, you can fairly accurately set you measure for
some smokeless if you find it on the chart. Or know
equivalents of powders to one another. Like Rx7 and
IMR4227 being of similar volume.

I found a setting of 24 is 21gr of IMR4227. Setting my
#55 to 24 on the second slide, I got exactly 21gr of Rx7.
Exactly... And I use 21gr with both the 55gr SPBT and
62gr FMJ. And knowing that this very repeatable setting
works with the old No.5 measure as well, that's icing on
the cake. I can load these in the woods if I felt like it
and get the exact same rounds. Handy.



Edited by Old Ranger on January 08 2018 at 4:26pm


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Posted: January 09 2018 at 12:33pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Proof, once again, that newer isn't always better. I still do all my loading with a hand press. Okay, that's because I've been too lazy to set up my single-stage now that's I've a table.

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Lee loaders & other hand tools drive me up the wall but
they are sure handy.


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I started out with a little Lee (bang them together with a rubber mallet). About the second primers I set off putting it in on the kitchen table is when the little woman went to town and bought me a new Hornady 07 press and enough accessories to do it right.
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Posted: January 13 2018 at 8:23am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup, the "Pound-a-Round" rig.
They crack me up.

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Wade, does Lyman still make dies for the 310s? Besides the 310 handles, I have a Tru Line Jr. turret type press that has two tool heads, one for standard dies and one for the smaller 310 types.

Used sets of 310 dies are pricy if complete. There's a shop nearby with quite a few die sets for them, NOS, still in the box, but they're for calibers I don't reload or ones that would be better done on a press, .264 Win Mag and such. I may have to look at all of them closer, I'd like a set in .38 Special and one in .218 Bee now.

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Looks as though they do, but only for a few cartridges.

https://www.lymanproducts.com/brands/lyman/dies-die-sets/lym an-310-tool.html

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Posted: January 13 2018 at 12:16pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

There's a fella that carries lots of old 310 stuff and
will machine any caliber you want too. He's in Denton
[TX] called : The 310 Shop. Got a website and stuff. He's
not cheap, but not as pricy as some on eBay...

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I have a few Ideal manuals and older loading books and wish I had some of those old school loading tools. Not everything that is "new" is "better" and that goes for the techniques as well as the equipment. It seems everyone now days wants their reloading to be cheap and fast, to me it's a hobby in itself.
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