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Posted: January 13 2018 at 2:59pm | IP Logged Quote rich2

Yep. The info you provided tells me what I need to know. The dimensions you measured tell me that they are not a Sinterfire bullet but one of our competitors since the pieces you found after you hit it with a hammer tell me they are of a similar make up. However, I will try to help you the best I can.

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Posted: January 13 2018 at 4:09pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Yeah I didn't see any at Sinterfire that looked like a hollow point. I would like to know if these should be loaded up closer to max or is lighter OK? I am starting at 6.0g power pistol with Alliants site at 6.7 max for 115g bullet and I am lighter at 100g?

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An important thing to remember with light frangible bullets is oal length. They are generally longer than lead. This will reduce case capacity, when loaded to the same length as a lead bullet of the same weight or heavier, leading to higher pressures. So, the same precautions should be in place as always. Start low and slowly work up to a load that will function reliably. (I generally load only two or three rounds at a time.) But a bigger concern is crimp. Frangible bullets are meant to be just that, *FRANGIBLE*! So, TAPER CRIMP ONLY! The way I do it is to take a hand full of brass cases you are going to use, size them, then mic the oal. Pick out several of the cases with the longest oal. Load a dummy round to the oal you wish to use. Then slowly bring the tapper crimp die down until all the bell has been taken out of the case mouth. Then just a bit further. Say an 1/8 of a turn. Then pull the bullet and check for a "ring" around the bullet where the end of the case mouth was. If you see a "ring" then back off the taper crimp die until you no longer see the ring. Remember, TAPER CRIMP ONLY! I hope I was able to help. If all this sounds complicated, it really isn't at all. I've loaded many tens of thousands of frangible bullets. As to the powder you want to use, I'd try the lightest load listed for a 115 gr. lead as a place to safely start and work your way up from there. Let me know if this helps.

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Posted: January 14 2018 at 8:47am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

It's really what I was going to do but it is good to hear you agree. I have been taper crimping on all straight wall cases for several years and have liked the outcome. Thank you for the input and I am going to start light looking for a light load anyway. Thanks again.    Craig

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Posted: January 19 2018 at 8:36am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Loaded 10 at 6.0g power pistol and today I loaded 10 at 6.3. Will shoot as soon as as I can. Craig

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Posted: January 19 2018 at 12:51pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Back from the range and I find this interesting! Both loads had serious failure to feed issues. I need to really bring up the load to work I feel. I think I will try 6.5 next then go to 6.7 witch is max for 115g but I am using 100g so it should be OK and really higher if I need to. I think 6.5 will be OK as the rounds shot OK just wouldn't feed the next round always. Craig

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Posted: January 19 2018 at 2:09pm | IP Logged Quote rich2

You *may* have to tinker with the oal. I load my 100 gr frangible 9mm at 1.120" cartridge oal. and have no problems feeding in any of my 9's. But YMMV.....

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Posted: January 20 2018 at 11:46am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

OK rich I just remeasured everything and here are the numbers on the COL on the 6.0g rounds were 1.07 on the 6.3 rounds it was 1.06 and the 115g 6.3 rounds i brought and shot great were 1.14. Hope this tells you something. Also the 6.0 and 6.3 100g frangible seemed light to shoot. I know I can safely move up with these rounds. BTW all of my 9mm rounds ended up on the light side as I shoot them better as I like light rounds in general. Craig

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Posted: January 22 2018 at 2:06pm | IP Logged Quote rich2

I would say to bump the oal up to 1.120" and slowly increase your load by a tenth or two at a time until the gun functions. Keep a sharp eye out for any pressure signs

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Posted: January 23 2018 at 10:04am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Yeah but if I go too far with the COL I will need to increase the powder anyway. I will start at 6.5 and put the COL at 1.12 or so. Thanks for the input. Craig

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Posted: February 08 2018 at 12:56pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

OK just loaded up some of these 100g frangible with the power pistol, did 20 at 6.5 grain that I think will work OK. Did 20 more with 6.7 grains witch is the max for the 115 grain bullets as there is no data for 100g. Just to make sure something works I want to load 20 with something like 6.9 grains as there is 15g difference between 100g and 115g bullet weight. I hope I don't blow something up. HE He. Craig

Just edited to say all COL is at 1.12

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I load 6.6gr. of Power Pistol with a 115gr. Bad man coated bullet that is my standard loading and have shot many thousands of them they work great in our Walther PPS gen2 good luck I like Power Pistol. Randy
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Posted: February 08 2018 at 3:04pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Hey Randy I also load 115g jhp with 6.3 a light load with power pistol and have been loading it for 15 years or so. Thanks for the input. Craig

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Posted: February 10 2018 at 1:43pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Well I did all the frangible I could do without testing due to weather. Ended up loading a few 124g HST 9mm bullets i had laying around. Bored out of my mind. I just don't need anymore rounds without shooting some. Any ideas????   Craig

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 12:36pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

OK back from the range with a report for you all. I took a STI Spartin V that I haven't shot much as it has had feeding issues before. I also took my Tarsus slim and a 22 I am testing. I loaded up a mag and ran it thru the STI before going to the range and it seemed fine. When I get there it wouldn't load the first round or any other of the frangible rounds. So I loaded up the Taurus and ran it flawlessly all day long with no problems at all. It is still a COL problem with the STI That was jamming before getting to the feed ramp I will solve but the reloads at 6.5 and 6.7 in Power Pistol ran very well in the Taurus. The 22 shot OK but boring. Craig

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Posted: February 23 2018 at 10:13am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

OK here is more to confuse the issue. I noticed at the range that the mag I was using in the STI had a spacer in the back. The range guy said that some after market mag makers do this. I got all this stuff out today and I guess I got two of the original mags and an extra one of a different brand or something. The feed lips on there original mags are different than the one I was using. Also after looking at the stuff I could load these frangible at a COL of 1.20 and I think clear all mags. A longer COL let the bullet make a better jump to the ramp and believe me the rounds could be lighter without a doubt. Not too bad but I saw a real different between 6.3g and 6.7g of powder. Well that's it for now I will keep you all posted on the rounds and the STI. Craig

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"Has anyone loaded this bullet before? I load a lot of 115g JHP so data isn't much of a problem. Just wondering if there is a benefit at this light a weight and flange-able"

First, the term is "frangible" not "flang-able" which means that the bullets are intentionally constructed to disintegrate when contracting a solid target (i.e. wood, masonry, bone, etc.).

Second, frangible bullets in the 9mm class may be loaded in accord with jacketed bullets for 0.355 diameter projectiles and loaded in accord for data for 0.,356 date for lead bullets.
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Posted: March 11 2018 at 7:03am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

My basic question when I started this thread was should I load these more hot or was light OK? I am loading these at 6.5 power pistol and they are fine there but have loaded them to 6.9 also but like 6.5 better. I just didn't know if the bullet needed a higher charge or would it work at lower charges OK. Craig

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Craig, I Believe that you are on the right track with
the 6.5. It sounds like a reasonable moderate load that
produces the best function for your weapons. This bullet
design is as foreign to me as it is to you, but now you
have the greater experience in this. And I also
understand the frustration when the primary objective of
a thread tends to get diverted into other angles. So, I
think you've got it going With your research and studies
with this particular bullet Style. We appreciate your
efforts and your reporting of same. One thing we can
always be assured of, you will Find a project and see it
through to the very end. I admire your dedication.

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