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Posted: January 06 2018 at 5:26pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Sporterized or stock. Seems they are all solidly reliable, foolproof actions in very capable cartridges for the most part.

I've never been opposed to it, just haven't done it. In the past six months, I've picked up two sporterized military rifles I have become quite fond of very quickly. One is a very nicely sporterized Krag with a Bishop stock and a Pacific peep sight. Shoots cast deer hunting level loads very well.

Just before Christmas while perusing a local pawn shop that normally doesn't have many guns, I spied a small ring Mauser, nicely sporterized in 7x57mm. Odd that it does not have the original military barrel, but they thought to keep it in the original chambering. I'd always wanted a 7x57 sporter and have had a few over the years but none ever clicked with me. This one has a Herters laminated stock and a good Weaver K 4 and I got it cheap. Turned out to be a good cast shooter as well and handles and points perfectly for me, seems the sporterizer must have had me in mind when figuring out the stock dimensions.

One or both of these rifles will follow me into the deer woods in future years.

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My Son and myself have used three different surplus rifles for hunting. They are just as good as many more modern rifles.

I first bought an M-28 Sako reworked Mosin-Nagant years ago for $50 and I sporterized it myself and have taken probably a dozen deer with it. I cut the .3085 diam. bored 28" medium heavy barrel to 25" and recrowned the muzzle and sporterized the stock to include some bedding work. I found an aftermarket trigger that helped reduce the long creep of the typical Mosin-Nagant and then I mounted a scope. It shoots < minute of angle with my load utilizing a .308 dia. Sierra 165gr. SBT. Gameking.

I found an old rugged looking Mosin-Nagant carbine that had a sporterized stock on it that someone had hacked out of the original stock. I dressed it up, bedded the action, and mounted a scope, and cut the ugly front sight off to recrown the muzzle and my Son has killed at least 8 deer with it. Seven of the deer were killed using the same piece of brass. It's bore was closer to .312 diam. so I used Sierra .311 diam. 150 gr. Spitzer bullets. This old abused carbine had a very rough bore, but it surprisingly shoots 1 1/2" groups with my load.

My third surplus is also a carbine. It was a WWII bring back 6.5 Arisaka Japanese carbine that someone had rechambered to use the necked up 257 Rob. case. It had a turned down jeweled bolt and a decent Internation style Bishop stock. It had been drilled and tapped for scope mounts. I gave a friend $200 for that carbine and the cheaper Tasco scope that was on it, which I quickly traded for a decent scope. It now wears an old El Paso K 2 1/2 Weaver.

The Arisaka has a generous magazine length so I made a chamber casting with cerrosafe and used that to have a throat reamer made up by Pacific Tool & Die and I long throated the chamber so that I could seat the very long .268 diam. 160 gr. soft nosed Hornady Carcano bullet out to about 3.0 COAL. The nice little carbine easily gives an accuracy of less than 1 1/2". The long throat gave me a good bit more velocity with that long bullet and the throat works great with cast bullets as well for keeping the gas check of the bullet in the case neck just above the shoulder.



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Posted: January 06 2018 at 7:05pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Rich, I've taken my last 3 deer with a sporterized model 94 Swedish Mauser. It also appears to wear an old George Herters birdseye maple stock and I replaced a crapped out scope with a Jap 4X Bushnell.
Youngest son has a sporterized P17 Eddystone that has taken a bunch of deer. Yes, I like them.
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My son often hunts with a 30-06, Model of 1917.

It was first purchased and sporterized by my father, shortly after WWII. About 15 - 20 years ago I changed it up some more. Good old rifle, very reliable and accurate enough that my son has done real well with it at 300 yards and beyond.

He's taken two black bears, and at least one buck with that old rifle.

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Posted: January 07 2018 at 6:56am | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Rich,

I sporterized this VZ24 M98 a few years ago and have taken a couple of deer with it. It was an 8x57 Mauser and is now a 7-08 Remington.
It's quite accurate with its heavy 18" barrel and varmint/target stock.




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Somewhere in all my junk sits a Remington manufacture Mosin Nagant that never went overseas after the revolution. Unfortunately, someone, probably in the '30s, sporterized it. I need to get a replacement stock as the guy cut down the military stock and it just won't work, but the bore looks perfect and whoever had it apparently did a trigger job and knew what he was doing as it has a very nice, crisp pull. One day, I'll get it in the woods, it just hasn't been a high priority.

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Posted: January 07 2018 at 7:35am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

30-40 Krag and the 7x57 are probably the two of the greatest smokeless
cartridges ever invented.In my not so humble opinion.

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Posted: January 07 2018 at 7:53am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Hunted the reservation for ages with a box stock 1903A3.
Was the perfect rifle for hunting by horseback on the
plains and prairies. Later, it rode in my trunk when I
came to the big city. Never wanted to cut it up or stick
a fancy stock on it. Was fine the way it was.

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Posted: January 07 2018 at 8:24am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Ranch 13 wrote:
30-40 Krag and the 7x57 are probably the two of the greatest smokeless
cartridges ever invented.In my not so humble opinion.


I agree. I've come to believe that the Krag is probably the perfect cast bullet cartridge, at least among small bores anyway. Not long before we moved him into assisted living, my dad got one of the reprodyction High Walls in .30-40 and was absolutely in love with it. Couldn't take it with him, so he handed it off to me. I took him shooting on an indoor range near him the other day and loaded up some gallery loads for it and we shot it at 25 yards. Neat rifle, but the fact that that cartridge performs so well at near full power loads with long, heavy 311284s and them does so well with those cat sneeze loads of red dot and 110 grain bullets is really nice.

I'm a little surprised at how well this little Mauser has been doing with cast as well. Not a tack driver, but plenty good for deer hunting.

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Posted: January 07 2018 at 8:28am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Both cartridges do their best work with long bullets at moderate velocity, they
got over shadowed by the magnum glitz.

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Posted: January 07 2018 at 8:51am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Yep. Thus far the Krag really likes the Ideal 311284, nominally 210 grain round nose. I've heard they designed that bullet for the Krag.

So far I've only shot normal range bullet weights in the Mauser. It seems to like the RCBS 145 grain bullet, but I have an old Ideal 287308, 160ish grain mold that was professionally hollow pointed. I have some cast up, just need to size and lube, I'm keeping my fingers crossed it'll shoot well. This one has a commercial barrel of some sort so may not have the long throat 7x57s are known for.

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That Krag bullet was designed in an effort to make the cartridge competitive in
the 1000 yard matches. WHD Dodge was one of the men charged with making
the cartridge what it is. In one of his writings on the subject he explained that
they came up with that bullet by dropping back and scaling down the same
design bullets that "worked so well in our 44 and 45 caliber cartridges in the
days of Creedmoor" If you get a chance to google up some of his articles they
are well worth the read.
150-160 gr bullets are the best option for most shooting in the 7x57. If I were
to ever find a pristine mauser rifle in that chamber to try in the Vintage Sniper
rifle matches I would give the 175 gr bullets a real serious set of trials.

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Posted: January 07 2018 at 9:14am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Very interesting, I'll have to do some reading. That one has worked well for me in a few .30-06s and surprisingly well in 7.62x54 as well.

It's pretty warm today, think I'm gonna change sizer dies in the Lyman 450 and give some of those long 7mms a go.

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Ranch 13 wrote:
Both cartridges do their best work with long bullets at moderate velocity, they
got over shadowed by the magnum glitz.


I have a little trouble remembering this. I don't shoot magnum rifles but my short Swedish carbine will toss a 140 grain bullet with my load of 43 grains IMR4350 around 2430 fps. I worried and fussed that this was too slow for a hunting round but had it pointed out to me that the original Swedish round of 139 grain bullet went around 2400 fps and everyone seemed happy with the results. My last three deer were taken with this load and no, I haven't lost any game because of the long slow bullet.
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"Just before Christmas while perusing a local pawn shop that normally
doesn't have many guns, I spied a small ring Mauser, nicely sporterized
in 7x57mm. Odd that it does not have the original military barrel, but
they thought to keep it in the original chambering. I'd always wanted a
7x57 sporter and have had a few over the years but none ever clicked
with me. This one has a Herters laminated stock and a good Weaver K
4 and I got it cheap. Turned out to be a good cast shooter as well and
handles and points perfectly for me, seems the sporterizer must have
had me in mind when figuring out the stock dimensions."

Just out of curiosity as "small ring Mausers" covers a bit of territory.
Does the rifle cock on closing the bolt or on opening? I have seen a
few small ring Mausers that were sporterizd where the gunsmith did a
careful job of turning the steps off the barrel. They usually looked pretty
good.
I have three rifles in 7x57 and I like the cartridge. I'm not set up to do
cast for that caliber yet but sometime down the road.
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"Yep. Thus far the Krag really likes the Ideal 311284, nominally 210 grain
round nose. I've heard they designed that bullet for the Krag."

I have an older Ideal mold marked #308284 and a Lyman with no
number but it's a two cavity. Bullets are 311282 and 311284. The 282 is
a 284 without provision for a gas check. Dunno who had the idea but a
friend found it at a gun show and gave it to me. Both molds cast very
nice bullets. Methinks I'll try them in a Browning B78 single shot 30-06 I
have.
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This Mauser is a '93 and it cocks on closing. Fine with me, just takes a little getting used to. So does that two stage trigger, but I getting it. Shot some of those long, heavy 287308s I mentioned today and it shoots them better than the RCBS bullet. The recommended most accurate load for a similar weight bullet in the current Lyman manual 20 grains of 5744 and that shot great. Should be moving a tad over 1600 FPS which for a bullet this long and especially since it's hollow pointed, I wouldn't hesitate to deer hunt with under the conditions I normally do.

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I believe all the small rings I've seen cock on closing.
That really doesn't bother me at all.
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Sort of.

As a teenager, I did a lot of nuisance animal control at the family farm with an M1 Carbine.

On a catfish farm, turtles are a big problem and they were particularly fun to shoot because you could send them spinning if you hit the shell just right.
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I have an unaltered VZ-24 Czech Mauser in 8x57mm that, when I'm on MY game, I would unhesitatingly use to hunt anything in north America, except Moose & the largest bears.

It would PROBABLY work for those, under just the right circumstances, but how often do we get these when hunting?

The rifle is scoped with an intermediate eye-relief 4X, mounted where the rear tangent sight was. Drilling and tapping the receiver would require "spot annealing" which scared the heck outta me.

Anyway, I could spend twice what I have in this one and not have a hope of ending up with twice the rifle.

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