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Posted: January 11 2018 at 4:03pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Snowing pretty heavily today, so I've been hanging out in my gun room, loading 30-06 ammo. I'd like to rely heavily on it again this coming fall for my big game hunting. I'll be hunting mule deer & pronghorn for sure. Possibly elk and bear. We will see...

My well-proven load is: 165 gr Nosler Ballistic Tip, a near-max charge of H4350, R-P cases and today I was using CCI primers. I've also used Magtech and Federal primers but haven't ever seen a difference in the accuracy.

If you load to this level, please work your way up to it. It's over max in some manuals and not quite max in other manuals.







Fall of 2016, the same load did very well in the hunting fields!

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Posted: January 11 2018 at 5:50pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

You can't go wrong with the 30-06. The 165 is the optimum bullet weight for a do all big game load.

When I shot the 06 many years ago IMR 4350 was my top choice with great accuracy and terminal performance.
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Posted: January 12 2018 at 10:32am | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I love the green tips on those rounds, Guy. Makes a nice looking bullet and the nose certainly will not be prone to being damaged to alter long range velocity uniformity.

I think the 165gr. weight class of bullets are likely the best fit for what most use the .30-06 for in hunting.

While I only own one rifle chambered in 30-06, a stock Remington US Model of 1917 Enfield from which I shoot strictly cast bullets, I have probably loaded at least 2,000 jacketed rounds for that cartridge. Mostly for very close friends or family. Except for just a few boxes of ammo, the bulk have been loaded with Sierra SBT Game King 165gr. bullets and using IMR 4350. Have not tried the H4350 because it was not readily available locally back when I worked up my loads.

My load has been used in autos, pumps, as well as many different bolt rifles and they all seem to do well with this weight bullet and my load. My Moisin-Nagant at almost the same velocity of the 30-06 loves the 165gr. bullet and I have used it very successfully for white tail deer for many years in my old sporterized M-28, but it preferred IMR 4320.

I think one could likely make do just fine by careful selection of one of the 165gr. bullets for most shooters hunting needs. Depending upon just how much penetration one needs, there are plenty of choices in that weight out there these days.

The larger game such as bear or even elk and moose might be better served of course with heavier constructed bullets, but with carefully placement even the right 165gr. could probably work okay I would think.

Edited: I re-read this posting and changed the 5,000 rounds of 06 loaded to 2,000 rounds which is what I thought I had posted. I loaded 1,000 rounds for one friend alone, but I doubt that I reloaded more than that for all the others combined.

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Posted: January 12 2018 at 6:30pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

I love the look of shiny reloads. I need to load some rounds for the upcoming year myself. Thanks for the motivation, Guy.

Oh, and: Here's hoping your -06 serves you as well next year as years past.

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Posted: January 12 2018 at 10:22pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

Now, who would want to reload an old cartridge like that????

Well, I do....

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Posted: January 13 2018 at 9:22am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I have a lot of rifles in a lot of calibers, many of them rather obscure. Yep, died in the wool gun nut here who wants to try to shoot everything before I die, but the fact is, the more you read, shoot, hunt, etc., it ALWAYS comes back to the .30-06. Greatest rifle cartridge ever developed.

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Posted: January 13 2018 at 12:23pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I haven't shot my '06 in a year.
However, I'll bet ya it'll print 3 shots touching off the
bipod at a hundred. This cartridge has never failed me in
60 years.

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Posted: January 13 2018 at 1:26pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Guy. Have you tried the 165 gr. Accubond? I'm pushing them to 2880
FPS in my 06 and the load has taken one elk so far. That load is for my
back up rifle on my elk hunts. A couple of years ago O decided to see
just how well it would work. My normal elk rifle is a .35 Whelen. Both are
customs on FN Mauser actions. The 165 AB is very accurate in my rifle.
(.50-.75" when I do my part.)
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Posted: January 24 2018 at 4:35am | IP Logged Quote M700

Paul - I have not tried the 165 Accubond - but only because I have a pretty doggone good stock of 165 grain Ballistic Tip and Partition bullets on hand.

I do have some of the newer 168 grain Nosler "E-Tip" bullets which I would like to try. They're a mono-metal bullet, just gilding metal, no lead core. Nosler's answer to the no-lead areas & regulations. I haven't loaded any yet, but I did grab a few boxes when the Shooter's Pro Shop had a good sale.

The 165/168 bullets really are my favorite for the 30-06, though I also like the 180's, and that 200 gr Partition did real well for me in Alaska. I'd happily hunt any western big game except the great bears, with a quality 165 gr hunting bullet.

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Posted: January 24 2018 at 4:53am | IP Logged Quote M700

Ham Gunner wrote:

I think one could likely make do just fine by careful selection of one of the 165gr. bullets for most shooters hunting needs. Depending upon just how much penetration one needs, there are plenty of choices in that weight out there these days.

The larger game such as bear or even elk and moose might be better served of course with heavier constructed bullets, but with carefully placement even the right 165gr. could probably work okay I would think.



Ya, fall of 2016 I used the 165 Nosler Ballistic Tip to take black bear, elk, mule deer and pronghorn. It was a great season, and I wanted to use just one rifle, one load, for everything. Worked out great! I think a Partition bullet might have been a better choice on the bear and the elk, but the 165 Ballistic Tip killed them each very quickly.

The bear and the elk were both taken beyond 300 yards, so the bullet had slowed some. I think that helped the terminal performance of the Ballistic Tip. Maybe kept it from expanding as rapidly as it does at higher impact velocity?

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The 06 is a great round.   I always wanted one or second choice a
.270.   Just never seemed to find a nice deal.   

     



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Posted: January 24 2018 at 9:50am | IP Logged Quote M700

joed wrote:
The 06 is a great round.   I always wanted one or second choice a
.270.   Just never seemed to find a nice deal.       



I think your 300 H&H is a pretty doggone good .30 cal hunting cartridge/rifle!

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M700 wrote:

I think your 300 H&H is a pretty doggone good .30 cal hunting
cartridge/rifle!

Guy


Yes, that was a good one.   Just sold it though.   I was offered to
much money to part with it.   Was on one of the sites in a thread
about the H&H and the person looking for one asked if I was
willing to part with it.   I had been thinking about it as I just don't
hunt big game anymore.   When he made an offer I couldn't
refuse I decided I didn't need it anymore.

That was a fantastic cartridge. If I ever started hunting big game
again I'd sure get another one.

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Posted: January 24 2018 at 1:36pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

My FN Mauser 30-06 has long been an enigma regarding accuracy. S
gentleman by the name of Cal Albrite put the gun together for me. You
may remember those Albrite fast fit trap door buttplates advertised in
some of the gun rags, primarily Rifle and Handloader. Well Cal was the
guy who sold them. As a gunsmith he was a very good metal man but
not so hot on stocks. Anyway, he built the rifle for me around 1974 or
75. barrel was a 24" Douglas with a 1 in 12" twist. I bought the rifle for
$100 and Cal barreled and stocked it for another $100. My choice of
bullets for the 30-06 was 180 gr. and this rifle scattered them like a
cylinder bore shotgun. I can't remember how many times I rebedded
that rifle with no luck. Couldn't get any help from Cal as he'd moved
from the area and passed away shortly after that.
Fast forward to 1979 when I got transferred from Winnemucca NV to
Tucson. Still kept fussing with the bedding with no luck, About two or
three years ago someone suggested maybe the 1 in 12" twist might be
the problem. I doubted that as I'd read that no less an expert Jack
O'Connor said one of his rifles had a 1 in 12" twist and shot bullets as
heavy as the 220 gr. round nose quite well. One day with nothing better
to do I made up a load series with W760 and some 165 gr. Accubonds.
WHOA! What happened? From the start load to the max for that rifle,
no three shot groups was larger than one inch and the max was right at
.75". Several more tries proved that load was consistently a .75"
average load.
Guess it's been three years since I shot that elk with that load. Hit was
right at the short ribs and ended up in the left lung. Elk did a short 20 to
30 foot half circle and expired. Never did find the bullet and I suspect it
was buried in the mess that was the left lung.
Been busy with a few other projects but I acquired a large supply of the
Sierra 165 gr. hollow point Game Kings and almost 400 Nosler 165 gr.
Partitions. It's gonna be very interesting to see how those work out.
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Posted: January 24 2018 at 2:11pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Paul - yes - the 1:12 is normal for a 308 Win, while 1:10 is more normal for the 30-06 barrels. I have used bullets heavier than the 165/168 class from a 1:12 twist, but... it seems to really be at it's best with the 165's. I'm not surprised your rifle shot so well with the shorter/lighter bullets.

The 165 hollow point Game Kings have a great reputation and have always shot well for me. I don't recall ever taking game with them though.

The Nosler Partitions... well, that's just a classic choice!

I've never been disappointed in the on-game performance of the Partitions, and for the past 15+ years I've been impressed with their accuracy as well. What a great elk bullet! I think I could happily hunt with no other bullet for my 30-06 rifle.

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Two recent acquisitions have caused me to stop turning a
lot of my 06 into 8mm and 7.7 Jap.
First an 03A3 and next a CMC Garand ..while I am not
worried about all the different 06 I loaded for other
rifles in the 03A3, I sure as hell am worried about the
Garand.
So looks like its back to the drawing board and
relearning lessons on the 06.....

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Lots of load data out their specifically for Garands. Get some IMR 4895.

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richhodg66 wrote:
Lots of load data out their specifically for Garands. Get some IMR 4895.


Yes! My loads are for bolt action rifles, and likely to mess up a Garand.

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A 165 grain remington PSP and a near max load of 4350 has always
been my most accurate load out of any of my .30-06 rifles. ....except
the Garand which gets 4895 as the propellant.
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1st critter I ever took with my 1st reloads was a nice bull moose with a 180gr Berger from a 300 Win Mag. Got a perfect mushroomed bullet too that had somehow ricocheted and embedded 1/2 way into the front of rib heading back towards the rear. Nice little secondary trophy, LOL.

I use to use NBTs on all my rifles since they are pretty great no matter what rifle but after using Berger VLDs for hunting I switched cuz the Bergers drop 95% on the spot whereas I found the NBTs dropped only about 60% on the spot. Sure they still died and I found them a 100 +/- yards away, but I love seeing them down.

Both my wife & my 30-06 use 168 gr Berger VLDs with Win 296 powder (I think, gotta look at my data to be sure). Both are tack drivers too. I tend to love Bergers and all but 1 rifle uses them now. That is a 25-06 that I had a super hard time finding a load for a 115 gr Berger VLD, but it loves the 100 & 115gr NBTs. But alas, I finally found one for the Berger right before 2017 hunt season but it needs a little more research before it gets into my pet load card file. The wife's 25-06 loved the 100 gr Barnes TTSX and then the 115 NBTs and tge Bergers.

Besides, if you a making burgers out of your critters, it just seems poetic to use Bergers, don't it?

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