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Posted: January 31 2018 at 5:29am | IP Logged Quote M700

Well, it's a plan. Who knows what will actually be happening this coming season?

Washington:
Am going to apply for, and likely obtain, a "multi-season" deer tag. Allowing me to hunt deer with bow, muzzle loader or rifle, in the appropriate seasons. I really want to give archery mule deer a strong effort this coming year.

Archery elk. Yup. Going to try. Local herd, not far from town. Will be happy as all get out if I get a shot at a cow! Have some scheduled interference with the season, so will only have a limited time. Still, I'll make the effort. Elk meat is GOOD.

Bear... You'd think I would have had enough of bear hunting? Nope. Seriously want to take a bear lured in by predator call... Very excited about that. Perhaps with a revolver. When that bear came in to 15 or 20 yards in the fall of 2016... I was hooked! Haven't made it happen again but I'm trying. Learning. Trying harder... Bear sausage has become important table fare here as well.

Wyoming:
Returning to northeastern Wyoming for the 5-day mule deer & antelope hunt, this time with a good friend. Hoping for success, and very much looking forward to the hunt. The only time period we could make this work was the first week of October, I'm usually there a couple of weeks later. Should still be good hunting and a fun trip.

Intend to take both the 30-06 & 25-06 Rem 700's to Wyoming. Oddly, both now have 6x Leupold scopes!

Plans for up to five big game hunts... We will see if I can make 'em all happen.

Your plans?

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Outside of the usual antelope, deer and elk hunt, I am hoping this is my lucky
year and a moose permit is drawn. Also will be sending in my wild bison
application, for here and over in South Dakota.
And while not big game, I do enjoy the trip to the eastern Colorado plains for
pheasant and qual.


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Posted: February 01 2018 at 10:39am | IP Logged Quote twillis

All whitetail for me. Archery, rifle, inline muzzleloader, and flintlock (unless it is a blasted cold in January as it was this year).

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10-4 on the cold. I had a mule deer doe/fawn permit, but during the time that I
would of wanted to hunt, it was so blasted cold, neither the deer nor I were in
the mood to take part..

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Posted: February 01 2018 at 5:16pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

Spring antlerless hunt, which is technically the 2017 season, but happens in 2018 - so counts?

Summer - trip to Alabama, I think, to hunt hog.

Fall - Whitetail, locally. I also want to make a real effort for bear this year. I mean actively going out for it, not just being incidental to deer.

Late Fall/ Winter - 3rd season (probably) elk in Colorado. This is tentative, but likely.

Of course, everyone's favorite uncle could change those plans at any time. We will have to see.

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WT deer and bear this year again. Never see elk during hunting season....

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Posted: February 03 2018 at 12:53am | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Wife & I already got 2 elk in the shoulder season out here i Jan. Otherwise it'll be the usual. Bear (opportunity I don't really go active on them). Gooffers (yeah they are goofy little critters) and Prairie Demons, for warm up. The archery for deer and lope and then elk, lope, deer and what ever the Good Lord wants to bless us for tags and critters.

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Posted: March 04 2018 at 10:03am | IP Logged Quote Yeti

I am torn this year. With 16 points, that 16 Year’s of no Oregon Bull
tags, I can finally draw a decent tag. Problem is my work load, and
current physical shape, could make that difficult. I have still never shot
or arrowhead a branch bull so that is what this fall will be about if I can
get everything in order. As an after thought I may pull a black powder
deer tag to get some hunting in during November.

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Posted: March 04 2018 at 7:45pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

I'm hoping to actually get my mandatory
archery hunting classes finally taken so I
can legally hunt with bow and arrow since
they have started doing an extra week
after the end of rifle season on some of
the doe tags in some of the hunting
seasons up here now. Never was interested
in the usual archery season which normally
the month before the month that is the
rifle season because usually it is still
too warm to hunt and not risk meat
spoiling in my opinion. But an extra week
tacked on to the back end for some of the
doe tags. Heck, yeah, I'm down with that
Idea. Used to hunt gophers with bow and
arrow when I was a kid. If I could hit
little gophers with a bow I should be able
to do deer, I certainly know I've gotten
close enough before. Just have to make
the time to take the mandatory bow hunters
classes.

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Posted: March 04 2018 at 9:43pm | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Turbo, you can thank the Montana Bowhunters ASSociation for that waste of time as well as the extra archery charge to "educate" the populace for that stupid class.   Do not get me wrong, I ain't bashing education but it is about the stupidest class I ever had to sit through. They could tack all you need to know about archery hunting onto the Hunter's Ed class and cover it about an hour.
They also go to the legislation and fight things like lighted nocs, etc. I used to be a member but quit soon enough. In my humble opinion they are only a step above anti hunter groups.
Course many typos as I usually have to correct, maybe I need a typing class, LOL.

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Posted: March 05 2018 at 3:26am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

I understand what you are saying, but it
is also true that more then once I have
seen deer wounded by arrows still
limping/running around in some of the
areas I hunt during the first week or two
of firearms hunting season which follows
bow season. It especially annoys me
seeing deer with arrows stuck in your rump
of all places. Granted it's not actually
that many just the few I see stick in the
mind and there is the fair share of
wounded animals from firearms hunters as
well.

So I do think that actually their current
bow hunters Ed is lacking rather then it
shouldn't be mandatory. But the
influences you reference may be partially
responsible for that as far as I know.
Along with the general screw up nature of
all government programs of course plus the
human idiot factor.

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It'll be white tails on public land again for me. I haven't taken our muzzle loader season here seriously in several years which is a shame, used to be my favorite, just been too hot and buggy the past few (late September).

We have an early antlerless season for one weekend here which is where I'll almost surely put meat in the freezer, it jut seems too easy (I probably just jinxed myself now), and I'll probably go out at least one day each weekend of archery season through October and November. That season has been good to me the past three years.

I really have the itch to seriously rifle hunt again this year. I haven't done the general firearms season in December in a few years except to take my grown sons out and neither seems real interested. I've taken good bucks the last two years with the crossbow, but think I'd really rather accept the fact that getting a good buck will be a lot harder in the general rifle season and use one of the rifles that patiently waiting in the rack for a chance. I'll probably use one of my 99s, of maybe that Remington 141, or the Krag, maybe that 7x57. It'll be with cast bullets if it's 7mm or bigger though.

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Posted: March 05 2018 at 9:45am | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

I think they call a lot of those arrows "buck (or doe) fever". And you can teach them till hell freezes over but in that case only experience really works.
But then there is the all to common idiot factor too, folk that shoot a critter at 100 yds with a bow, never heard of kinetic energy vs. penetration or what really urks me, rarely practice. And when they do it is at the range, yardage marked, no up or down hill, no wind, no kneeling, etc.
I know I can shoot about 20-25 yds to my target & hit the kill zone kneeling, but can do 50 yds standing in perfect form. If I try that kneeling at 30, its a wound, not a kill.
Sad part is there are numerous out door, no yardage marked, 3D shoots all over the state folk can go to and enjoy an improve. Loss enough arrows there and you will learn your limits really quick.

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Posted: March 05 2018 at 7:43pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Yah, the thing that a whole lot of people
pushing the "Education Rather Then
Regulation" don't seem to realize is that
first of all they are missing the
"Enforcement" third leg of the stool in
that little snippy sound bite bumper
sticker slogan. Then add to that with all
three legs of the stool there is such a
thing as diminishing returns both
individually and between the ratios of
each.

Now I could go real deep into this
discussion but this isn't the proper
thread for that.

Long story short, I would much prefer that
they instead use a test format for the bow
hunting addition to your hunting license.
You show up with your own bow arrows, your
own practice time already under your belt,
and if you need "education" on the topic
you have purchased it privately in the
market and then the see what you can
actually do as far as not taking stupid
shots you shouldn't and making the good
shots count and you either get the bow
hunting added to your license or not and
if you pass or fail they tell you why and
how well you scored against your fellows.
I would much prefer that.

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Posted: March 05 2018 at 9:13pm | IP Logged Quote M700

It would be wonderful if ALL of our hunters could shoot accurately.

Some don't do as well as others. I often work with hunters to improve their rifle marksmanship. Don't feel qualified to do as much for bowhunters.

Is the accuracy standard different for rifle & bow hunters?

Are we all after nice, quick, clean kills? To do so, what degree of accuracy is necessary?

Perhaps 100% on a 9" paper plate, at whatever range? That seems to approximate the "kill zone" on a deer. So, I can do that time after time at 20 - 25 yards with a bow. And about 50 - 100 yards with a rifle from standing. Or 300+ yards from sitting or prone...

I dunno. Maybe we should just let people go hunt and try to help those we can influence?

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Posted: March 06 2018 at 1:01am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

M700 wrote:
. . .

Is the accuracy standard different for rifle & bow
hunters?

Are we all after nice, quick, clean kills? To do so,
what degree of accuracy is necessary?

Perhaps 100% on a 9" paper plate, at whatever range?
That seems to approximate the "kill zone" on a deer.
So, I can do that time after time at 20 - 25 yards
with a bow. . .


The accuracy standard for bow hunting is a much higher
bar then for gun hunting. Arrows kill by bleeding, a
lung shot is NOT good enough. You have to make a
heart shot or hit a major blood vessel. Either that
or make a spine shot which actually hits the spine
(not just the vertebrae bones) or a brain shot through
the eye socket, the ear canal, or up the nasal cavity.

At least for large game, obviously small game like
gophers with a Judo tip you can use raw energy, but
even then you have to make head, neck, or chest shot.
Hit too far down the body in the guts rear legs region
and you let them suffer before death, where as with a
223 or similar hit them anywhere except the possible
exception of the ends of the legs near the paws and
the hydro shock damage does the job.

Quote:
. . .

I dunno. Maybe we should just let people go hunt and
try to help those we can influence? . . .


Get yah, but right now its a mandatory government
education program including a test. How about just
the test? Is what I am saying. In addition, at least
for the regular hunters ed class its pass/fail only
and they can fail you and not tell you why you were
failed. I don't know for sure that is true with the
bow hunters education system but I have real problems
with government being able to do something like that
and not having to say why they did.

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Posted: March 06 2018 at 10:33am | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Turbo, I've taken all my critters with lung shots from a bow. If your lungs got holes, you do not live long. I assume you mean just 1 lung hit, and if so, then I agree with you 100%.
I would never try for a spine or head shot of any kind with a bow. To little room for error and the broad-head is to big to efficiently penetrate the thick skull bone in most areas. And those little orifices are simply to small for even Robin Hood. And the skull can be shaped to round and cause a deflection, that being besides just the natural angle/entry deflections of a 27" arrow. I agree heart is best, then any double lung. If any other shot drops them it is only by a HUGE Gift of Grace from God, which is still applicable in my humble opinion to any critter being harvested.

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MontanaWolf, glad you have had good luck
with a double lung shot from a bow. My
personal primary point of reference for my
knowledge of what it takes with a bow to
hunt big game animals is one of my newer
hunting buddies who has taken to hunting
with me in the weapon restricted zones
where you can't use a rifle. I use a
shotgun with slugs and he uses a crossbow.

He has sworn off of lung shots and will
not take a shot that he can't make a heart
shot on due to a bad experience we had the
first year we hunted together with him
with his crossbow. He took broad side
shot at about 65 yards on a big doe and we
saw her take the hit, jump, and then run
off. We waited the appropriate 5-min
before moving in to collect her (standard
procedure according to him so you don't
spook the animal into running a long ways
before it bleeds out). We then went down
to where she had been hit. Where she had
jumped when hit clearly visible in the
snow and started following her tracks. No
blood trail only ever yards or so a small
spot of frothy blood she had apparently
coughed up. Then her tracks joined the
main deer trails and got mixed in with the
other deer tracks and every time multiple
sets of tracks branched out from one spot
one of us had to stay there while the
other explored the various sets of tracks
looking for those little every hundred
yards frothy blood cough up spots to
figure out which set of tracks was the
right set. This went on for just over
FIVE HOURS until finally we found her
bedded down over a mile from where she had
taken the hit and when we approached to
about 5 yards she stumbled to her feet and
tried to get away but was too weak and
collapsed again after only a few steps. I
promptly blasted her with the shotgun in
the neck at the base of the skull to put
her down. His arrow had punched through
her side high in both lungs with the tip
of the arrow lodged in the center of one
of her ribs on the off side the tail and
fletching still sticking out the entry
hole.

I consider that a learning experience for
both of us. I'm not saying that happens
ever time but we were really lucky she
didn't wander anywhere we couldn't follow
such as posted private property which
there is some in that area.

Now I haven't seen a spine shot with an
arrow or an eye shot with an arrow except
in a hunting show. Never seen a shot
through the ear canal with an arrow even
in a hunting show but mentioned it since
it is theoretically possible.

I have witnessed an up the nasal cavity
successful shot in person. 2015 fall
season that same hunting hunting buddy
made that shot at very close range of
about 15 yards. We were hiking up the
trail and came around the corner and there
was a decent sized doe standing right
there behind some brush so that only her
neck and head showed staring right at us.
I whispered "You don't have a shot,
right?" (since his range is shorter and
his weapon doesn't scare off all the game
in the are when he fires he usually is
reserved the first shot) He whispered back
"It's close enough I can make it work" and
then slowly drew a bead and squeezed off a
shot and she fell right in her tracks and
when we walked up her nose was a bloody
mess and there was a big bloody mess in
the back of her head slightly to one side.
"You shoot her up her nose?" I asked "Yup
he said that's the soft spot in the skull
when they are looking straight at you,
wouldn't have tried it except she was so
close.". Never did find his arrow it
punched through and kept right on going
and is somewhere back in that brushy area.

Now a crossbow is generally more powerful
and potentially more accurate then a
regular bow. I don't think I'll be trying
any "through the nose into the brain"
shots anytime soon but I know it can be
done. My understanding though is that
with a brain shot with a bow it must be
through one of the soft opening points in
the skull otherwise it will probably just
glance off. He has also told me he can't
take a full front facing chest shot
because odds are from that angle the
sternum and ribs will deflect the arrow.

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Posted: March 07 2018 at 10:15am | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Turbo, those slugs sure do some meat damage. We use the in rifle season after bow season in WMAs & restricted areas too. too.   
If he was using a broad-head and he got both lungs good, the critter is 99.9% DOA in 100 yds, unless there is a nick to one or some other odd thing happened, or LOL, if that critter had a combat mindset.
If he was using a field tip (not saying he is that dingy but yep seen it before) or an expandable that did not open due to a mechanical malfunction, or say a bone entry like a rib, where it can't open, etc., or not enough kinetic energy (which I doubt on a X-bow) then they can go much farther i.e. 1/8th -1/4 inch holes vs. 1.0-2.5 inch holes makes a huge difference. Small holes can plug with lung tissue too. High lung holes tend not to bleed exterior well since the blood drips down into the lung pooling upwards until it reaches the wound height to start driping out the wound to any great degree.   
X=bows have short "bolts" so they are really not nearly as accurate as longer arrows on bows after about 30-35 yards. My guess is since he hit her high, it only caused minimal lung damage, especially since the lungs are no where near as full or wide high as they are center or low.
I did similar with a 25-06 rifle on a doe at about 300 yds using 100 gr NBTs. We tracked her for a few hours, up, down, sideways, etc. Finally got close enough an a sneak for a head shot. On field dressing her we found here RT shoulder and lung was toast. The bullet however only hit the forwardest tip of the LT lung. There was some damage but minimal, like the size of a dollar coin. But even with those lung wounds & no front leg, she still went far and fast. Course she knew we were there and coming too.
On the other side, every deer, lope or elk I have taken where both lungs are hit good, has dropped while running within 100 yrds or less.
I have always been taught that with archery, if you can't see where the critter dropped, wait as silently and as motionless as you do while hunting for 1 hour before you start to track. If you got more than 1 tag you may even get a second deer, LOL.   Like you said you have to bleed out and that takes time in some situations, like a 1 lunger.
And like your buddy said its quiet, so if they do not know man shot, they feel the hit and run. Then they stop to avoid ambush and look around. If they feel "safe" they tend to bed down knowing they are hurt and then bleed and die.
B4 cell phones I used a watch (remember those contraptions ;-) to be sure I sat 1 full hour and it usually worked well. Even on critters that were not DOA yet, they were like your doe, weak and could be snuck up on because they tended to lay there longer than to run the second they heard a voice or twig snap.

     

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Posted: March 07 2018 at 8:29pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

He uses broad heads but because of his
crossbow setup his broad heads are 2D
rather then 3D as in a flat piece of
diamond shaped steel sharp on the two
front edges where as regular bows use more
modern broad heads with three or more
cutting edges in a radial pattern.

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