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Posted: January 31 2018 at 6:07pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Weird stuff going on with my eyes. Though left eye
dominant, and shoot right handed, it gets stupid, but so
far right eye with long gun, cocked head and left eye for
pistol. Told ya, weird. Been like that since Eisenhower
was in office. But here's the latest weirdness.

Right eye shows fuzzy from 12 o'clock to 2 o'clock. Not
all the time but about 75% of the time. Low light (dusk)
and everything's grey. Sights are invisible. But unwanted
critters still approach my little one man firebase and I
gotta be ready with something to obliterate the enemy.
Even if it's just a rouge armadillo! So I opted for a
12ga pump, the all-around weapon of "get it done now".
Slugs, 00 buck, #4, #8 birdshot. Yeah, very versatile.

Found a near new Mossberg Maverick 88 with black
synthetic stocks, 18 1/2" barrel, 6 shot [5 shot
magazine] for near half it's going price. I'd be an idiot
to pass it up. Yes, it came home with me.

Pulled the twig-like plug, did a fast clean with my Otis
gear and went out back with a pocket full of 1oz #8's and
a fist full of coke cans. 15 rounds later and a 100% hit
ratio, I was satisfied. Oh, and it was long shadows
entering dusk too.

Now I've got a close quarters combat effective long gun
that's short enough to navigate my narrow hallway but
long enough to give me complete confidence in point
shooting in low light and "hurry up n' shoot!"
situations.
And I found that the Maverick 88 uses the same barrel as
the very popular Mossberg 500. And much of the add-on
stuff works with it as well. Pretty cool.
So I'm marching with a low buck scattergun, and ain't
complaining a bit.

Edited by Old Ranger on January 31 2018 at 6:08pm


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Posted: January 31 2018 at 7:15pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

I've seen these on paper but never in person. Are the
actions smooth?


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They are good shotguns Wade. The major difference from the 500 is the location of the safety.
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Wade, sounds like cataracts to me.
Have had both eyes done and see great now with out glasses.


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Posted: February 01 2018 at 12:05am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Can't be Nick. I drive a Lincoln Zepher not a Cadillac!


You're likely correct but I'm fighting anything that
requires "surgery or procedures"...
I can sight pretty good most days, but come sundown I'm
near blind until dark.

Rex, you've got it! They're a spin-off from the Mossberg
500. The Maverick 88 been in production 30 years now. A
budget 12ga, sure, but not cheap. Yeah, I agree with ya,
good shotguns.

Lynn, this one has had little use dispite being a 2015
model. The action is smooth though. Not like my well worn
1966 Remington 870 20ga, but pretty good for a $200
retail shotgun. But I'm sure it'll be even better in a
few months after I get done practicing my drills with it.

Watched Hickock 45 shoot one identical to mine. He was
really running it hard. I was impressed with the 100yds
gong hits with slugs! He called it "a nice rifle. A
smoothbore rifle". Funny. But his views are similar to
mine on the budget build for a reliable 12ga pump
shotgun.

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Wade, not sure how up to date you are on shotgun loadings but a few years ago, I played around with some buck shot loads though an old Ithaca prison guard gun I have which is very light weight and has a hard butt plate, needless to say, recoil is brisk.

I found that there are quite a few buck shot loads out there now that at least that recoil much, much less than traditional deer hunting buckshot loads you find at Wal Mart and such. Check out the Sportsman's guide, several loadings of 00 and #1 by Sellier and Bellot with advertised velocities and payloads like most buck shot shells, but big difference in felt recoil. All I can think is they must have made some advancements in wad technology and possibly propellants. You should experiment with a few to see what you should keep in it. I think the stuff I eventually decided on was the Sellier and Belot with #1 though I didn't do extensive patterning with it.

And it's not just that recoil is unpleasant. In a self defense situation, you need to be able to recover from it quickly and be back on target. Those Mossbergs are decent, no frills guns, I think you have a winner. Keep your eyes open for a bird barrel for it incase you get over run by quail or something too.

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I've owned a Mossberg 500 18.5" barrel 12 ga since 2003.    Living in
FL at the time I bought the Marinecoat version so it wouldn't rust.   
These are great guns though I haven't shot mine much.   It now sits in the
closet of my bedroom just over the door in case I ever need it.   I believe
the difference with the Maverick is the safety.   

I was warned about breaking these guns down for cleaning.   From what I
was told the magazine tube is aluminum and bends very easy.

Only complaint I've had with mine is the finish was somewhat rough
in the beginning causing cycling problems.    

Yep Wade, STCM is right, cateracts.   That is exactly what I have just
gone through.   My complaint was things were blurry like you stated.

I had both eyes done, one for distance the other for intermediate
distance 3 weeks ago.   No more glasses and vision is sharp.



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Posted: February 01 2018 at 8:02am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Wish it were a model 37 Ithaca, I have an extra barrel for one of those.
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All the years I policed the streets I ALWAYS had a 12ga
with me. Mostly a Rem 870, but sometimes a Mossberg 500.
For a few years my own Franchi SPAS 12 went out with me.
Now that was a shotgun guys! But my SPAS 12 was stolen
from my unit while on call in the barrio. I'm sure its
been sold and traded many time among dopers and gang
members around North Texas. But when in a car there was
always a 12ga with me. A rookie asked me once when
heading out on shift why I always carry a shotgun. I told
em "Simple. They won't let me carry a rifle. Son, if I
KNOW I'm walking into a gunfight I want a long gun.
Handguns are up close, oh crap last ditch effort thing."
The boy smiled, said thanks, and immediately went to the
sector armory and checked out a Rem 870 and ammo. Two
years later he was first on the scene of an aggravated
robbery with two suspects exiting the store they just
robbed at gunpoint. Both turned and opened fire. That
young officer returned fire with his 12ga and it was
Cops: 2, Badguys: 0. Thoses are my kinda scores!

I'll look into the S&B Buckshot loads. This new
scattergun needs to be broken in as it's still really
pretty new. And another thing I noticed when watching
Hickock 45 with his Maverick 88 was he had put on a slip
on Limbsaver recoil pad over the existing factory one.
Said it takes the recoil and extended the length of pull
that he likes. Sound wisdom I think.




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Posted: February 01 2018 at 8:21am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rex, that's ok. I doubt I'll ever change the barrel it
has on it. The 18.5" is just right for me. And I don't
hunt birds as I don't eat em.

As to disassembly it's just slightly tricky with the re-
insertion of the triggerguard with the two bars inside
the frame needing to be held flat while doing so.
However, by it's design it's obvious that one can simply
take unchlorinated brake cleaner and simply spray into
the action removing all the dirt. Then a few spritzes
from a spray lube in the action will handle it nicely.
The whole system is quite robust, and I find it a very
good design. The engineers and gunsmiths at Mossberg did
a very good job laying out this weapon and the folks at
Eagle Pass Texas did a great job of building it. Overall
I am quite pleased with this weapon!

Edited by Old Ranger on February 01 2018 at 2:51pm


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Posted: February 01 2018 at 5:31pm | IP Logged Quote KinleyWater

I like me a good shotgun. Aw, shoot, who am I kidding; I like all kinds of guns. I used to own an 88 with an 18.5 barrel. Very functional, basic shotgun, but it did everything it needed to do with no fuss and no worries.

On the other hand, I'm beginning to get a little worried about you, Wade. First the AR, now a black furniture scatter gun - Do I need to worry about losing you to the ranks of Glock owners as well??

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No worries there. How can a Tupperware pistol even
remotely compete with a steel frame 1911A1? NEVER!

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When I was in the Army (70 to 72) we carried 12 gauge Win pump shotguns on guard duty loaded with 00 Buck.

Had to qualify with it. Forgot all the qualification details just remember how nasty that 00 was on the target. From that day on I was sold on it as a close combat weapon. Never had to use it as such but felt safe carrying it.

Have one under the bed these days loaded with 00 buck tactical.
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I had to qualify with a 14 inch 870 several years ago on active duty. I recall three things about the course:

1. We shot both buck and slug

2. When shooting buckshot, aim a little low. I don't know why this is so, but I remember it works.

3. Doing a points target with buckshot is stupid. No matter how well you aim, you have no control if a pellet strays into the 7 zone.

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Some years ago when I worked the streets as a patrol Sgt,
a few of my officers chased a car thief into the
projects. The suspect was armed, and after wrecking out
into a dumpster he decided to shoot it out with my guys.
There were shots going back and forth with the strays
from the suspect hitting our units and worse, buildings
with people in them! When I arrived I sized it up that
continues fire was not an option.

Taking my SPAS12 loaded with 00Buck, I laid down and took
cover with a patrol unit. I could see the suspect's feet
as he danced around the opposite side of the wrecked
stolen car. With the stock extended, I carefully aimed
just in front of his feet with the well defined ghost
ring sights and squeezed off a round. Those 00 Buck balls
skipped atop the pavement with a few hitting the
suspect's feet. He was flipped onto his side when his
feet went out from under him and when he saw me with the
12ga aimed at his head, he tossed his 9mm and came out
hobbling. Fun with a scattergun.
Wasn't long after that that my squad started checking out
12ga's from the sector armory like that rookie did ages
ago. Yeah, I like shotguns.

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I have disassembled a Mossberg 500 all the way down for cleaning because it got soaked and don't remember it being particularly complicated or anything delicate about it. It does have more parts than an Ithaca 37.

Rex, what kind of 37 barrel you got?

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Rich, 30" full choke 12 gauge. One of the later barrels that interchange without factory fitting. I believe this occurred about serial number 855,000.
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Yes, 855K was the magic number. I only have one 12 above that number, I actually gave my old standard field one to my gunsmith brother who likes to keep good examples of ones he's likely to work on around. Wasn't using it much anyway.

As much as I like the old Ithaca 37s and Winchester Model 12s, they're really isn't anything they can do the current Mossbergs and Remington 870s can't do just as well or better and they were expensive to produce. Especially for a rough duty gun, you just can't beat those Mossberg 500s and the after market stuff for them is just about limitless.

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I also have a 870 in 16 gauge and a Winchester 97 black diamond trap. Used to have a 20 gauge Mossberg that the boys grew up on, not sure what happened to it.
As I have two barrels for my Ithaca 12, I've thought about having this one cut to 26" and choke tubes installed but at my age that probably won't happen.
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Rex wrote:
Winchester 97 black diamond trap.


Now that is something special.

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