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Posted: February 02 2018 at 1:30pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I have been interested in long range rifle shooting for a long time. There are some pretty interesting videos on You Tube on the topic.

One I really liked was a fellow who was shooting a Springfield 03 A3, with iron sights and paper patched cast bullets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNHJjqZxpwQ
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Posted: February 02 2018 at 2:00pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

I wonder what his load was??? I've shot cast to 300 yards a couple of
times on paper and pig silhouettes at 300 meters (330 yards) Never
chronographed the loads but to know a piggie down you have to hit the
top 25% of the target to get it to even slowly topple over.
I have to wonder how he gets that patched nose of the bullet to enter
the throat or rifling without damaging the patch???
Interesting.
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Posted: February 02 2018 at 2:07pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Paul B.

I suspect that those are patches that were wet and then shrunk to fit the bullet.

This has fascinated me so much that I bought a new Remington "bolt gun" .30-06.

Now I just need a some warm dry weather so I can see bullet strikes off across the "clear cuts"..
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Posted: February 02 2018 at 4:48pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Not sure why he didn't just crank the sight to the 1000 yard setting and shoot,
but then this guys video's are usually painful to watch.


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Posted: February 02 2018 at 5:22pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

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I asked myself the same thing.. There should have been elevation on the rear sight out to 1000 yards.
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Posted: February 02 2018 at 7:24pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

I shoot 1000 yard competition in the NRA Blackpowder Target Rifle matches,
as well as a few gong matches. It's a hoot
It does make you pay attention to detail especially in form. If you look closely
at that video, you'll see his grip on the wrist of the gun, and therefore his
trigger pull is never the same two shots in a row. That inconsitant form is a
score killer big time.
Get yourself a rifle and jump into the fun. Many of the BPTR matches, now
hold vintage sniper rifle matches right along side, and it's interesting to see
how sometimes the guys shooting the old technology blackpowder cartridge
guns can hold their own, if not out shoot those 03's and Mausers.
Interestingly enough the 6.5 swede rifles tend to out shoot the 30-06.

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Posted: February 02 2018 at 7:52pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

As soon as the weather permits, I am going to try some long shots, and in the mean time I will build some sub sonic cast bullet loads for a little general plinking.
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Posted: February 02 2018 at 9:30pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Paul B. wrote:

I have to wonder how he gets that patched nose of the bullet to enter
the throat or rifling without damaging the patch???
Interesting.
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He probably doesn't and I'ld be really surprised to find out none of the shots
that showed up on camera were from those rounds. Patched that far out the
ogive, and shooting a cast bullet already groove diameter with a paper patch
on it is a sure recipe for disaster. Bet the inside of that barrel looks like the
inside of a pipe with the leading.

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Posted: February 03 2018 at 7:04am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I paper patched some rifle bullets for the 06 several years ago, and kind of put it on the back burner, since it was a bit labor intensive. And back then components were pretty cheap, I had a good supply or hard metal and lots of gas checks.

With the shortages we went through a while back I started patching again, for .357. I used the 358429 bullet, long bullets are easier to patch, I did some 9mms and what a pain with little short bullets, but in both the .357 and the 9 no leading with full power loads in both calibers and the bullets were pretty nearly straight lead..

I ordered this bullet for the 06, I have lots of cases and stuff for the 06, but for some reason my sizing die and molds have all gone missing. My thought was to patch that bullet up to the front band, and use them for plinking loads.


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Posted: February 03 2018 at 7:44am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Why bother with casting a grease groove bullet to use for paper patch?
The advantage of paper patching is the bullet doesn't suffer drag and
accuracy killing things like the driving band and the lube grooves. The only
reason to patch a bullet would be to gain the same ballistic advantage of a
smooth bullet like the jacketed bullets.

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Because Lee bullet molds are cheap..
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Posted: February 03 2018 at 4:49pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

John Van Gelder wrote:
Ranch 13

I asked myself the same thing.. There should have been elevation on
the rear sight out to 1000 yards.


I checked the rear sight on my 03-A3 and it's marked to 800 yards. You
can get the slide to go a bit past that which might make 1,000 yards
but you guess is probably as good as mine. Mine is early 1943 and has
a four groove barrel. They say the two groove barrels work better with
cast. I dunno. I have a 1912 Steyr Mauser that was converted to 7.62
NATO and has a two groove barrel. Front sight is missing and probably
a replacement would have to be higher than an original. I'll have to
figure out a way to cobble one up and see if a dark two groove will
shoot cast accurately.
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Posted: February 03 2018 at 6:02pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Paul B.

Sounds like an "adventure" to me..j
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