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Posted: February 22 2018 at 7:08am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Scopes. Why in the world do they have to cost so much? A
good quality rifle scope often costs more than the rifle
it is going on. Sometimes even triple the cost or more.
Yet if you buy a budget priced scope you often take the
chance of getting an inferior scope. In my mind I
consider that financially unbalanced. You know, that may
be another reason why I'm not overly fond of scopes. They
cost too damn much! And I don't want to pay it.

With the beginning of failing eyesight, I had an
experience the other day trying to shoot an open sight M4
clone with poor results in dim light. The following day I
used a budget small scope and increased my range
capabilities substantially. I have had the little scope
for quite a while but I have to admit at lower settings
it becomes fish-eyed when I go to look through it. I
can't handle that! Yet a quality scope is out of the
question because they start at $500 and just go up from
there! I refuse to pay that much for a stinking scope.
So, I guess I will just continue being semi blind in the
Twilight with my affordable iron sights.

Side note: This is why I'm switching to a 12 gauge
shotgun. Don't need no stinkin' scopes!

Questions, comments, and snide remarks?

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 7:42am | IP Logged Quote Rex

The last ,what I considered, good scope I bought cost $300. It was a Leupold vx2. The last scope I bought cost $25.00 off of ebay. It was a Japanese made Bushnell Banner. My 30-06 wears an El Paso Weaver K6W and it has been a good scope for a long time now.
I remember buying the El Paso Weavers brand new for around $27.50. Of course that money was hard to come by back then to.
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Posted: February 22 2018 at 12:20pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Wade - for your M4 rifle critter, consider the little 1.5-4x Leupold Mark AR. It's on sale now, with a mount for $309 from SWFA. I've done business with SWFA off and on for years and have never had a problem.

Mark AR scope

I've got a slightly different version (older) of that scope on my AR-15 and it works great! Targets to 300 yards are no problem, and down on 1.5x I can actually keep both eyes open and engage targets rapidly even at very short ranges.



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Posted: February 22 2018 at 12:23pm | IP Logged Quote M700

I liked that scope enough that I had it on the rifle shown for the last few years I was working as a cop. It was my "patrol rifle" and rode in the car with me day after day.

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 12:33pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Also, I'm a big fan of the Leupold fixed power scopes for my hunting rifles. Over the years I've accumulated quite a few of them and I use them regularly.

2.5x compact, it's only 8 ounces. Bought it used about 20 years ago and have had it on several rifles, usually on a lever-action rifle. Excellent eye relief! Took a mule deer at about 70 yard, using it atop my old 45/70 Marlin:


6x (36mm obj) on one of my favorite hunting rifles, a 30-06 Rem 700. This is light, bright, clear and has the "long range dots" in the reticle assisting with making good hits at 300 & 400 yards, with the rifle zeroed at 200 yards. I bought it new last summer for $300 from SWFA:


6x (42mm obj) on my 25-06 Rem 700. I bought this one new at least 10 years ago. It's knocking at the door of your $500 budget. Excellent scope! A little bigger than the 36mm version, but very nice and bright. I've taken game past 400 yards with this setup, and also in close. No problem.


There's more, but enough photos. I really like those fixed power Leupold scopes. They're simple and rugged, with fewer lenses and moving parts than variable power scopes. They tend to be light, often compact. Usually have very good eye relief and are just terrific hunting rifle scopes, at reasonable prices.

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 12:36pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Used a fixed 12x Leupold as my favorite scope for 600 - 1000 yard prone competition. I don't use it for that anymore and instead have it on my 204 Ruger for Varmint shooting. Picked it up used as well, from another 1,000 yard competitor.

Not sure I've got a decent photo of it anywhere.

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 12:52pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Wade,

For your purposes you might find a Bushnell TRS-25 red dot sight can be helpful. They are inexpensive and have a very high reputation. They have a 3 MOA dot.

The sight can be mounted on your AR so that you can view the iron sights through the 1x magnification of the red dot sight without the red dot being turned on. Battery life is quite long.
The sight can be adjusted so the iron sights and the red dot point to the same spot.

Do a search on "red dot co-witnessing"! Look through one next time you're in the gun shop.

I have two of them and they are pretty nice.


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Posted: February 22 2018 at 1:01pm | IP Logged Quote M700

No doubt about it, those red-dot sights can be real useful.

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 3:30pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

$500!!!
Choi Oie!
Maybe spend that on a pistol.

Have a red dot. Don't like it. Unnatural....

6x was my scope in Vietnam. 800m was about as good as it
got. After I went out the gate at Benning I never used a
scope for any serious shooting again.

As my eyes are going to crap now I suppose I might need
one but I'm not spending a bundle on a scope. Just rubs
me the wrong way I guess.

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 5:12pm | IP Logged Quote M700

K - you saw where I spent $300 on the brand new 6x last summer?

And used Leupolds are everywhere - at good prices - and the company honors their warranty. Not that I've ever had to send in any Leupold I bought used.

I'd imagine you can find one of those little 2.5x Leupold compact scopes used for around $200, and it would be a sweet scope on the M4.

Heck, brand new the 2.5x is only $269 and it truly is one of my favorite scopes for modest-range shooting.

Guy

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 5:25pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

That compact unit sounds just right. Now to find one in a
shop.

Thanks Guy. I think ya sold me.

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 6:33pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Well dang.

In that case I sure hope it works out 'cause I don't want to "sell" you on something that doesn't turn out well.

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 7:23pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

M700 wrote:
K - you saw where I spent $300 on the brand new 6x last summer?



I'd imagine you can find one of those little 2.5x Leupold compact scopes used for around $200, and it would be a sweet scope on the M4.

Heck, brand new the 2.5x is only $269 and it truly is one of my favorite scopes for modest-range shooting.

Guy


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I've been looking for one of those to mount on a Ruger #1 in .45/70. The 4.9" eye relief should be perfect on that gun but everybody has them on backorder. I've got my order in at Brownells for $242. I suspect Leupold must make those in short runs.

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I'm always on the lookout for deals on old Denver Redfields and steel tubed Weavers. Vintage rifles need vintage scopes and these are good ones. They can often be found quite reasonably if you're patient.

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 9:28pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

In the meantime, I pulled the Bushnell from my '06 and
replaced it with the Redfield Revolution 4x-12x. So when
the weather breaks I'll have to zero the boltgun. Awww


Then I mounted the Bushnell CF500 3x-9x drop compensated
scope on the M4 clone. Has see-thru covers and mounted on
the rail adapter into the carry handle. About 2" longer
than the little 1.25x-4x UTG mil-dot I was using. Now
I'll have to zero it as well.... The sacrifices we gotta
make huh? Havin to go shootin on the range!
The Redfield was too big. The Bushnell is a might smaller
and the magnification range is more in line. The bullet
drop compensated reticle is handy too.

So I'll be looking for the little scope Guy recommend
while I sock away a little dough each paycall.

Edited by Old Ranger on February 23 2018 at 10:16am


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Posted: February 22 2018 at 9:50pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

It's not that I don't have scopes around here, it's that
I don't have super quality ones that cost so damn much.
I'm not cheap, just poor!

And in spite of being a little larger than anticipated,
the Bushnell 3-9 might just work out on my M4 clone.
I'm sure that the Redfield will be great on the real deal
Marlin XL7 .30'06. Being a 4-12 with a finer reticle will
help a lot too. That Marlin bolter was a shooter straight
outta the box.

Ok, I'll hush up now and go watch a few episodes of Tour
of Duty and try not to get too homesick for the bush!


Thanks guys!

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Posted: February 22 2018 at 9:52pm | IP Logged Quote safari100

Ranger, I put a straight leopold 4x on a 45-70 and it is all I have ever needed($300). I also put a Weaver 4x on a 12 ga. slug gun to great effect($100).
I listen to every African PH and they say that when Americans used to show up with an 06 and a Weaver K4 they knew they would not have any missing/wounding issues. Now days with wine bottle scopes and wiz bang loadings(WSM, RCM, Ultra mags) such is not the case. From the Pros mouth not mine.


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safari100 wrote:
Ranger, I put a straight leopold 4x on a 45-70 and it is all I have ever needed($300). I also put a Weaver 4x on a 12 ga. slug gun to great effect($100).
I listen to every African PH and they say that when Americans used to show up with an 06 and a Weaver K4 they knew they would not have any missing/wounding issues. Now days with wine bottle scopes and wiz bang loadings(WSM, RCM, Ultra mags) such is not the case. From the Pros mouth not mine.


Though I've never hunted Africa, your words ring true and the advice seems sound.

Several years ago a couple I know bought a plains game hunt more or less on a lark. He'd done a little mule deer hunting here, and she had never hunted. She asked my advice and I recommended she get a 30-06 like her husband's along with a simple scope and some good ammo...

Nope. Not good enough. So this gal who is strong on dollars and weak on experience buys a "custom" 300 Rem Ultra Mag, Rem 700 Sendero with a 6.5-20x scope. I think it weighed about 15 pounds all told. It was heavy! Accurate. She was proud of whacking rocks with it at 600 and 700 yards, prone, bipod.

After returning from Africa, she said the rifle was almost useless. Too heavy to carry. Took forever to get into shooting position and on game. I tried not to say anything like "I told you so..."

They did get a great kudu and some other large antelope, and the trophies do look real nice in their house, so I guess she does know more about hunting in Africa than I do. I probably ought to remedy that someday!

Can't see why, if I've shot game from wolf & pronghorn up through elk & grizzly, why my 30-06 wouldn't work for plains game...

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Posted: February 23 2018 at 10:14am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well I never hunted Africa either but I've "hunted" in
S.E. Asia. Used a Win M70 and Lake City .30'06 match ammo
and a N.M. barreled M14 with standard issue 7.62mm.
When not involved in combating the communist aggression,
I shot several water buffalos (our ONLY source of fresh
meat) and popped a big 'ole tiger that wandered into our
NDP around 0300. 20 ft shot with an M14 in the moonlit
jungle. "Pucker Factor" was very elevated when it stepped
out of the bush and in front of where I was sitting
against a tree. About the only time I ever ignored my own
fire discipline and shot multiple rounds into a single
"target". I don't think a scope would've been
practical shooting from the hip on the ground.
Really shook up the troops around me. One guy said I shot
my kin as we were both "wearing tiger stripes" in the
jungle.

The .30'06 and .308 were both very effective against ALL
my targets. And a 6x was just right for my line of work
there. So I could see where an '06 and a maybe 4x
scope would be good in Africa.

Edited by Old Ranger on February 23 2018 at 10:21am


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Posted: February 23 2018 at 2:01pm | IP Logged Quote hdwhit

My father handed down to me a Weaver scope that I remember was expensive enough in 1966 to provoke some heated words with between him and my mother.

I also have a nice Bushnell scope that I got half-off at a clearance sale.

I have the base to put the Bushnell on my Savage Axis but actually doing that and getting it sighted in will have to wait until after retirement (35 days away).

My grandfather taught me how to shoot using iron sights and the old Mark One eyeball and since almost all my shooting is inside 200 yards, I haven't felt a lot of call to take the dive into optics.
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