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Posted: March 01 2018 at 7:12am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade

Sorry to hear that, mine has been a real shooter. I worked up a great plinking load, with the Lee 200 grn RNFP bullet over 4 gr. of 700X.

I can keep all of the shots on a 18" X 12" chunk of basalt out in one of the meadows at 100 yards offhand.

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Posted: March 01 2018 at 8:02am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

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I do not like the New Model Blackhawks at all. Ever since
that 6 1/2" .357Mag my dad had from the 70's that
patterned like a shotgun to that 44. They're not natural
and loading and unloading and the grip and action all
felt foreign to me. It was a nightmare! I bought it on
the recommendations of several members who swore by
Ruger. I swore AT Ruger.

That Lee 200gr is a good looking bullet. Casts
wonderfully. Shame it's undersized and lead plates the
bore.

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Posted: March 01 2018 at 8:05am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Sunshine and clear this morning. Time to do scopes. Wish
me luck.

Oh, and I'll not use red paint on the plate this time
either.

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Posted: March 01 2018 at 9:22am | IP Logged Quote M700

Old Ranger wrote:
Sunshine and clear this morning. Time to do scopes. Wish
me luck.

Oh, and I'll not use red paint on the plate this time
either.


Best of luck to you!

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Posted: March 01 2018 at 10:34am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

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I have been shooting Ruger single actions since the 60s, I have a New Model Blackhawk I have been shooting for 40 years. I have never had a Ruger that would not shoot.

My lee 200 gr.RNFP mold drops the bullets right at .430, I just tumble lube load and shoot.

I have a 244 gr, SWC loaded over 15 gr. of 4227 that will shoot into less than 3" at 25 yards, in my flat top .44.

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Posted: March 01 2018 at 12:35pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Either it's a combination of load, weapon, scopes, and my
pathetic vision but I couldn't get even a 2" group at 50m
off a bench! Tried three different scopes. Stinko!

Stripped the scope off and put irons back on. Group
shrank to 3/4" shooting lefthanded off the bench. Scopes
didn't help me. I'm done.

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Posted: March 01 2018 at 12:57pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

John, the only Ruger BH I ever had that was worth a flip
was an old 3 screw 6 1/2" .357Mag. The new ones stink as
far as any contact I've had with em. I simply don't trust
em. But I'm glad you've never got one that sucks. .

And with the pitiful performance of the scopes and rifle
shooting I'm doing I'd better brush up on my pistols
more. That EAA Bounty Hunter .44Mag is a gem! And of
course the 1911A1 is my "go-to" pistol for anything that
might, or does, need a hole put in it. Never had anything
get back up after being hit with one, man or beast.

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Posted: March 01 2018 at 1:29pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

John,

My Ruger Flattop .44 Spcl. likes Lyman's 429215. If I do it right it'll give 1-1.5" at 25yds. I'm very pleased with it.



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Posted: March 01 2018 at 1:31pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Wade,

The visual I'm getting of your rig has the scope mounted on top of the carry handle. If so, I'd mount the scope to the upper and put MBUS sights fore and aft.


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Posted: March 01 2018 at 4:09pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade

I never tried to put a scope on a AR 15 so I have no advice, I carried a M-16 when I was on the SWAT team, we got along just fine with "iron sights"..

Mike

I have several bullets for the .44, gas check, plain base and HP molds. The Keith bullet in the HP version seems to shoot the best. The 200 gr. RNFP is the most fun, and then for bouncing pine cones off the trail I have some tumble lubed round ball loads over 4 gr. of Hodgdon Clays, they have about the same report as a .22 LR.

There was an article in the Handloader Magazine, about the Flat Top .44, they had some loads that were shooting under an inch from the rest. And those were the upper end loads.

I have a new model Black Hawk .45 that I got back in 1976, I shot a truck load of snowshoe rabbits and grouse when I was in Alaska, and the occasional bear here.

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Posted: March 01 2018 at 4:37pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Buffalogun wrote:
Wade,

The visual I'm getting of your rig has the scope mounted
on top of the carry handle. If so, I'd mount the scope to
the upper and put MBUS sights fore and aft.


Mike


That was last week. Scrapped that. It wiggled all over
the place! Was using a cantilever base today mounted to
the weapon direct. Still stunk.

My findings: scopes ain't for me.

Think I'll sell or trade my '06 too. It's got no sights
just made for scope only. So I'll stick with the M4 copy
& my Rossi M92 with those big buckhorns! The hell with
scopes. They don't help!

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Posted: March 03 2018 at 9:23pm | IP Logged Quote safari100

Wade, take a look at Optics Planet for scopes. I just bought a Leopold VX2 3X9 matte finish scope for $207 and they sent me a 5% coupon on my next purchase. Don't know what your budget is but that is darn cheap.

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Posted: March 04 2018 at 3:07am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Not sure if it's applicable to your
application but sometimes a decent quality
lower powered long eye relief pistol scope
can be had for less cost (as in $200-ish
rather the $500-ish) compared to good
quality rifle offerings. Then you just
mount it further down the gun. Works fine
for equiping straight bolt stripper clip
fed Mausers and similar. Most people
think it makes the gun look ugly but it's
just different and I'm not one of the
normal people who confuse different with
ugly.

Another option is mil-surp. And even retro
and antique scopes. My WWII Soviet Sniper
Scope on my Mosin 7.62x54R is actually a
pretty good scope once you get used to the
low magnification and just a post sticking
up inside rather then a modern cross
hairs. I got lucky scoring that though,
poor sucker I bought it from didn't know
what he had, don't completely take
advantage of him though and he was
thrilled I offered him as much as I did
for it.

Scrounge around man if your smart and
patient you can find your gold in other
people's junk.

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Posted: March 04 2018 at 7:01am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade

I have a life long friend, that has a similar problem, just cant seem to make a scope work, he is 70+ and still hunts with iron sights.
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Posted: March 04 2018 at 8:31am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

John, you've got another friend now in the same way.

Fellas as to my budget, well I exist on 16% above the
published poverty level. Police pension and the measly
change from social security don't add up to a lot. So for
me to spend hundreds on a scope is not easy. I check the
pawnshops but scopes are ALWAYS markets high.

What's that saying about the definition of insanity?
Well, I just call it stupid when one keeps doing the same
thing that fails continuously without any prospects of
success. So instead I'm abandoning the scopes and instead
of saving for a score I'll save for another eye exam with
the hope (keeping fingers crossed) I can get a set of
glasses that will remove the ugly blur in the right eye.
Meanwhile my little M4 clone named "Dr. Evil" will sit in
the cabinet. And my '06 with it's mandatory scope will
likely be used as trade for a pistol. I actually don't
need a scoped '06 anymore to be honest.

This thread wasn't a "feel sorry for Wade" thing. Rather
it was a quest for understanding in today's optics and an
attempt to find some answers. I admit I got caught up in
the thought of rifle magnification thing, but in the end
my own infirmary won't allow any room for success. I
realize this now. My thanks to all who offered assistance
and suggested alternative solutions. They did not fall
upon deaf ears.

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Posted: March 05 2018 at 7:09am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade

Have you thought of one of the red dot sights.. Those can be had pretty economically. Something else I looked at, was a laser for one of my semi auto pistols, that seemed like just the "ticket" for mt lions and bears in my yard during the summer months, and always after dark.

I looked at lasers and pistol flashlights, the lights were several times more expensive than the lasers.

At the end of the day if you are not shooting at great ranges, a "ghost" ring peep sight is pretty useful.

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Posted: March 07 2018 at 8:30am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Got a red dot but it gives me a headache trying to deal
with it. Overall I have no difficulty seeing my iron
sights. That wasn't the issue. It was seeing the target.
I just thought a scope would've made that easier.

I tried again one last time yesterday with another scope
and base configuration but it too failed. Now I'm hard
headed and really hate to give up but when I'm at a dead
end with nowhere to go but back, I turn around and leave.

I spent the past several days not wearing the glasses
from the VA. In that time my right eye has slightly
cleared. Today, if I put them on the right sees worse.
Left is unchanged. So I've scrapped scopes and
glasses. So I'll not pursue scopes further, and in fact
will abandon those I have to remove any further folly so
to speak.

Edited by Old Ranger on March 07 2018 at 8:31am


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Posted: March 07 2018 at 8:58am | IP Logged Quote M700

Interesting isn't it, when something that works so well for most people, doesn't work for an individual?

One size does NOT fit all.

If you're happy, that's good. I'm sure you've used a scope well in years past, but... Things change over time don't they.

Different from your experience, as I've aged, I am better served by a scope, and am having more trouble doing well with sights. Am still "okay" with the sights, but the scope has become very important to me for accurate shot placement with my rifles.

I do tend to keep my scopes simple and sturdy, and I emphasize clarity over "gadgets" on the scopes for sure. This is why my favorite hunting scopes are fixed power Leupold scopes. Not many adjustments, and they hold up very well.

Sorry the scope didn't work out for you Old Ranger. I had high hopes.

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Posted: March 07 2018 at 9:57am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yeah Guy, I really wanted it to work too.
Oh well, "sing loi" as we used to say in the bush.



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