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Posted: February 25 2018 at 4:58pm | IP Logged Quote beerd

I'm going to re-stock a model 77 Ruger soon.
What are your opinions on thumbhole stocks? Pros & cons.
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I've tried one.

Pros:

They align the trigger finger perfectly with the trigger giving a significantly improved trigger finger position thus better control over the trigger pull.

Cons:

1. You may need a longer cleaning rod because the high comb of the stock may not accommodate (clearance wise) the handle of your current cleaning rod. Also longer rods tend to flex more which is not desirable.

2. If you have a lot of rifles like I do switching from one with a thumb hole stock to one without can be problematic in the sense of consistent marksmanship since you have to adjust to changing trigger positions. i.e. once you get use to a thumb hole stock it's difficult to go back to a conventional stock.

On balance, I think you'll find the thumb hole stock easier to shoot more precisely due to the improved trigger finger position.

Personally I sold mine because I didn't want to purchase 14 more stocks for my other rifles and it was too disconcerting switching back and forth. For me it was all about maintaining consistency.

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Posted: February 25 2018 at 6:27pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Odd stock arrangement. Kinda like trying to shoot a
bowling ball!

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Posted: February 25 2018 at 6:43pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Another consideration is where most rifle safeties are located makes them harder to manipulate on and off with a thumbhole.

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been looking at this one as an option -

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I own a 7mm Weatherby that has original wood. I sent the rifle to Mcmillan for a thumb hole stock which they made and bedded. The rifle shoots crazy groups and trigger/hand alignment is perfect but does not carry in the field for beans. To big and bulky for me.
Beerd, what Weatherby Cal are you considering? Look at the wood grain where the thumb hole is. You will lose strength thru the wrist when all that wood is removed. They are pretty but I went with fiberglass composit.

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I'd thought about getting one of a similar style but they don't look like they would work very well for ambidextrous shooting.

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RT58 the thumb hole stocks are either right or left handed. I have never seen one that is ambidextrous.

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Posted: February 27 2018 at 6:18am | IP Logged Quote beerd

The rifle being restocked is chambered in the garden variety 270 Win so no fierce recoil there. And I'm leaning towards a laminate.
Here's another pic of a right handed thumbhole

not left hand friendly.
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Posted: February 27 2018 at 1:41pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

I have one rifle in a thumbhole stock. it's a 1912 Steyr M98 Mauser in
.308 Win. it's in a Lawson Moutaineer stock and the whole package with
scope, sling and full magazine weighs exactly five pounds. The problem
regarding the safety being difficult to work is solved by having one in the
trigger guard that blocks the trigger, similar to those on pump and semi-
auto shotguns. It's a great rifle to carry at high altitude on steep
mountains but is damned hard to hold steady due to the light weight.
Sure is a cool little package though.
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Hope your thumb isn't in the hole when time to release
the safety.

Since you asked: I think they are an abomination. Never
seen one I thought looked good. Can't stand the things.
When I must look I only look with one eye. They make my
teeth hurt. There's one in the basement & I'm ashamed to
even offer it for sale.

I'll stop now. Sounding like Old Ranger.

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Posted: February 28 2018 at 8:01am | IP Logged Quote RT58

safari100 wrote:
RT58 the thumb hole stocks are either right or left handed. I have never seen one that is ambidextrous.


That was the point of my post. I don't care for the idea of "improving" my rifles by decreasing their performance potential by 50%.

I do have a Choate varmint stock on one of my varmint rifles that has sort of a thumbhole stock and it is ambidextrous. But it is a varmint stock and isn't made for Rugers as far as I can tell, and it isn't wood. But I like it and so does the granddaughter.
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Posted: February 28 2018 at 12:31pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

"Hope your thumb isn't in the hole when time to release
the safety."

You'll note I posted that the safety on mine is in the trigger guard and
prevents the trigger from moving. Basically the same set up as on pump
and semi-auto shotguns. Sorry but I have no way to post pictures.
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Posted: March 04 2018 at 6:46am | IP Logged Quote sailcapt

Beerd,
Always been a big fan of thumbhole stocks. I have shot exclusively my
target rifle with a thumbhole for years. A Winchester 52D heavy barrel
.22 cal. The biggest factor is fit, fit, fit. It has to be customized to you.
Off the shelf models are mass produced and one size fits all.
Years ago(many) there was a company making hand grips for pistols to
fit just your hand. They asked for a pattern of your hand in 3 positions
and sent pattern paper so you could trace your hand and send it to
them. They did great work but sadly are no longer in business. They
had a great product in the days, way before computers were invented
and did all by mail. I think if they had held on on until technology
caught up they would be still here.
I made my own from a block of laminated Walnut I found in an antique
shop years ago. The block had the square shape of a rifle stock and a
hole in it. Months of hand work and patience turned it into what you
see.
So I am a big fan, they will up your skill level and give you a real feel for
a rifle or pistol. If you can, get custom fitted, but I don't know who does
that or if it is done.
Try a lot of different styles, you find one, with patience.
I tried to upload photos but the site will not take them, Sorry

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Posted: March 04 2018 at 8:32am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Getting a stock, rifle or pistol, to fit like a glove does a lot to improve your shooting experience. It helps you position your hand(s) the same each time you shoot.

The off side is that to get that glove fit requires time and skill, which equals higher prices. But then you have the added problem of people being individuals and not everyone will want exactly what the next guy wants.

This all makes it difficult for a custom grip/stock making company to survive in todays market. Two people with the exact same size and shape of body parts may not like the same fit and feel and once a buyer pays for custom stocks that aren't to his liking he would probably look for a plan B.
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LAH wrote:


Since you asked: I think they are an abomination. Never
seen one I thought looked good. Can't stand the things.
When I must look I only look with one eye. They make my
teeth hurt. There's one in the basement & I'm ashamed to
even offer it for sale.

I'll stop now. Sounding like Old Ranger.


Aw shucks ain't nuthin wrong with brutally honesty
there Lynn! And ya still got the right [at least
for now] to express yourself. And sounding like me ain't
all that bad. Except for when folks wanna know what ya
think and ya tell em the truth that they don't wanna
hear! And I think those stocks are butt-ugly too!

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Posted: March 04 2018 at 10:34am | IP Logged Quote beerd

so why am I not surprised to hear opinions both ways?
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Posted: March 04 2018 at 2:23pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

These stocks do place the hand so trigger position is
great for the finger much like some tactical stocks. It's
just something about that hole.

And Wade I guess the ugly thing is how I see it but for
those who like the looks there are many different stocks
available.

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LAH wrote:
Hope your thumb isn't in the hole when time to release
the safety.

Since you asked: I think they are an abomination. Never
seen one I thought looked good. Can't stand the things.
When I must look I only look with one eye. They make my
teeth hurt. There's one in the basement & I'm ashamed to
even offer it for sale.

I'll stop now. Sounding like Old Ranger.


Well we can't be having your teeth hurt. T'wouldn't be nice. No need to
be ashamed to sell it. Give it away. What rifle action is it for?
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