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Posted: March 24 2018 at 3:23pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

`There is no lead alloy for all purposes, it is about like practicing alchemy.

Bullets too hard or too soft, they will lead your barrel, finding the middle ground can be a chore.

The main cause of leading is undersized bullets. Really hard bullets do not "upset" enough to seal the bore and prevent gas cutting, a major cause of leading.

If the bullets are too soft then at high velocities they will strip and lead your bore.

Hard bullets do not work as well for hunting as those that give some expansion.

You pretty well have to tailor make your alloy for your particular application.

You can get away with using gas checks on softer bullets, at higher velocities. But it is an added expense. There are kits out there so you can make your own gas checks out of aluminum cans.

What works for me is paper patching bullets, it is a bit time consuming, but the cost is minimal. Accuracy with soft alloys is good and so far I have had no leading.
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Desert Eagle41 wrote:
Interesting as I had a lot of leading issues in my Colt trouper MK III from the first soft lead bullets I shot in the new gun in the early 70"s A friend pointed out the leading and said I should shoot steel jacketed at the end of the session. I tried that and it worked so well cleaning the gun right out. I only shoot JHP now!! Craig


I'd heard that too. But I also heard shooting a firearm with a bore obstruction could bulge the barrel so I always preferred to scrub the lead out. I suggested to others that wanted to take the easy way out to at least use some mid-range fmj loads instead of magnums.
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So Randy, how's that Model 28 treating ya?

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Posted: March 25 2018 at 10:58am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

What I found that worked well for lead removal, was to dedicate a bore brush, and then cut up one of those copper scrubbing pads, to wrap the bore brush with. That cleans a barrel nicely.
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Posted: March 25 2018 at 1:36pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Well, the best lead removal system not only works well but thoroughly.
The only drawback is it;s expensive and the EPA would have a fecal fit.
Plug the bore well at one end and fill the barrel with mercury. Wait five
minutes and drain. Run one tight patch through the bore and guess
what? No more lead. Lead amalgamates with mercury which is how it
works. Strain the mercury though a fine weaved cloth and it's as good
as new.
I once had a large contained of the stuff, enough to fill a 26" .45 caliber
barrel and yes, it worked just fine. I used corks from wine bottles cut to
fit the muzzles of the guns to be cleaned.
I left that supply in San Francisco and never went back to get it. When
my dad died, my half sister dumped a lot of stuff including my mercury.
My fault for never going back for it and some other stuff.
The stiff new brush and Chore Boy pads work just fine. Don't use
Chore Girl as that one has soap in it. (Never have figured that one out.
Maybe something in soap affects barrels???)
You used to be able to go to your local druggist and buy a tube of Blue
Ointment. It was used to kill lice. Active ingredient was (GASP!)
mercury. Did a pretty nice job of removing leading, just not as fast as
straight mercury. Leave it to .gov to make our lives more difficult.
(sarcasm)
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Posted: March 25 2018 at 5:29pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Old Ranger wrote:
So Randy, how's that Model 28 treating ya?


Wade
The 28 has 200 rounds through it and is a pure joy to shoot. I've had a long running fascination with handcannons but as I enter my 7th decade it seems the .357's go to the range while the .454 and .475 sit in the safe.
The Mod 28 does well with Lyman #358477's over 9 gr. of Blue dot. It shoots to same POI with the 140 Lee over 6 gr. of Power Pistol. Loads of 158 gr. jacketed over 2400 would probably group into 1" at 25 yards from a machine rest or with a good shot at the controls.
Gonna load up some cast 125 gr. RNFP over mild charge of Unique and hope it will shoot well enough to ding the 50 yard steel with same sight setting and next to no recoil.
I wonder how the current production "Classics" series would compare to this 48 year old gun?

Randy


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Randy

I have loaded the Lee 125 RNFP in .38 spl cases they shot very nicely in all of my .357s In the 28 they feel a bit like .22s... a benefit of a very heavy frame gun.
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Posted: March 26 2018 at 6:04am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Randy, I am absolutely tickled to death to hear that
you're enjoying that 28 this much. They have always been
to me, just a great all-around shooter. It is only my
hypothesis so to speak, but I believe with the 28 having
such a massive cylinder, when you go shooting rapid fire
in double action picks up inertia and helps speed it
along. Like I said that maybe just my own personal
thinking, but I know you can sure shoot them fast like a
Gatling gun.

well, I know the thread here kind of took off on its own
into a radically different aspect from your 357, but I do
hope you enjoy yours!

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doghawg, you got a nice one.   The grips could be original as they
were an option on the 28 though most came with smaller sized
service grips.   

That gun will probably outlast you, they are solidly built.

My first S&W was a model 28 that I foolishly sold.   Even after
downsizing my collection of S&W revolvers I still have 2 left, a 6" and
a 4".    I will not sell these, I learned after the first one I had.

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Posted: March 31 2018 at 7:25pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Joe

The 28 will definitely outlast me, especially at the rate I'm falling apart lately. The gun has proven to be especially accurate so far with jacketed 158's and Lee and Lyman cast. The only bullet that didn't shoot all that well was the Lyman 358156 GC at around 1100 fps. Then I remembered that bullet likes to be driven harder so I loaded it over 13 gr. of 2400 and bingo! 1300 fps and accurate.

I understand your sellers remorse with the first 28. This one isn't for sale either.

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