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Posted: March 12 2018 at 6:59pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I've been doing real good with my liquidation of excess
guns. In Oct. traded two for one. Sold two long guns last
week. Sold a nice old Wingmaster in 20ga today. Trimmin
em down purty regular!
Then I went to Academy for a recoil pad and made the
mistake of passing by the handgun case. There sat a 7
1/2" Uberti 1873 .45 Colt with a ridiculous price tag on
it... Was the last one they had. Couple scratches from
Bubba being stupid while holding it. Manager made me a
deal cutting more off with the "dent & ding" thing.

Well, with Berry's 255gr plated flatnose and 7.8gr
Universal it shoots real good! 25m two hand hold on the
10" plate good! A little high, but that's ok. Betcha
if I hunkered down at the beach and took my time I could
tag it at a hundred.... Maybe... Has the most crisp hair
trigger I have ever felt on a SAA. Cool!

Cleaned up fast and easy with my own concoction of
cleaner, a .45cal BoreSnake, and Rig #2 oil. Done in my
usual 5 minutes thing. Very tight build and assembly.
Typical Uberti perfection.

So I bought a new 45 Colt, but I'm still trimmed down a
bunch anyway. Its all good.

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Posted: March 13 2018 at 7:33am | IP Logged Quote Rex

I don't think I could have passed that one up either Wade...providing I had any money in my pocket at the time.
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Posted: March 14 2018 at 8:38am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

This is Uberti's Horseman model. Has the look and feel of
an old Peacemaker but modern lockwork. A frame mounted
firing pin, a transfer bar, and coiled mainspring. The
trigger is wider too. Nice touch. The slickest trigger
I've felt on ANY handgun since my old Detonics
Scoremaster .45ACP back in the 80's. Wonderful trigger.

Brownell's Oxpho-Blue fixed up the damage stupid people
did to the finish trying to cycle a trigger locked single
action. Yes, I called em stupid. I don't do politically
correct around here, I call em as I see em. But, that's
the finest liquid blue on the planet and it repaired the
cylinder bolt drag marks from Bubba and two 1" barrel
scratches left near the muzzle. Looks brand new. You see
Academy puts trigger locks on their display guns so they
can't be loaded, chamber a round, and such because
they're afraid an idiot would dryfire em or a
psychological misfit would try to load it. Yet dumbass
people still try to work the actions like they think know
what they're doing despite the trigger locks in place.


Tried the 45 on paper yesterday. 3" high with a 6 o'clock
hold on a paper plate at 15m. That's what, 7" above point
of aim? Wow, that's high huh? But standing at 50m I rang
the 10" iron plate two outta six with a 6 o'clock hold.
That's good enough for me, as I tend to wobble some these
days. That long barrel really helps. Makes me feel like
Paladin when I shoot!

Though the action is not as smooth as a traditional
design, it makes up for it in a slightly stronger frame,
vastly improved trigger, and the ability to safely carry
that sixth round some folks whine about with old school
sixguns. Yeah, the trigger alone is worth the price of
admission.

Today, with simply delightful weather, I'm going to sit
at my 100m bench and try for the 10" iron with this
weapon. The way it's sighted, I'll bet with a touch of
Kentucky windage I can pull it off. We'll see huh? Hey,if
I get real good with this at a hundred I may leave Dr.
Evil [AR15] in the cabinet permanently! You just never
know. Those old cavalry boys could shoot a far piece with
their sixguns back in the day!
Besides, Lynn shoots way out there with his sixgun so I
know some folks can do it!

Edited by Old Ranger on March 14 2018 at 8:44am


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Posted: March 14 2018 at 10:16am | IP Logged Quote Rex

What were the original Colts sighted in at? 200 yards or so?
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Posted: March 14 2018 at 10:35am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Varied from year to year and what model you had. Most
every percussion revolver and most old Colts printed
high. The estimated "average" was around 75yds. But that
also depends on who you talk to these days. Lots of
"internet traditionalists" that'll say most anything
nowadays to thump their chests and claim they know it
all. Me? Ain't in that bunch. Just know what I can
personally testify to. My time spent with original and
reproduction thumbbusters indicates they shoot a mite
high.

With that, I'm heading out to the 100m bench to try my
hand at long range pistol work. Wish me luck!

Edit: After 10 rounds from the 100m bench I gave up. Hit
all around it but could not get the range. Gonna take
more practice.

Edited by Old Ranger on March 14 2018 at 2:12pm


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Posted: March 14 2018 at 2:59pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

Nice 6 shooter. Found something bout a short barrel one here:
https://www.ammoland.com/2014/04/uberti-horseman-single-acti on-army-revolvers/#axzz59lMbPNrT

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Posted: March 14 2018 at 4:10pm | IP Logged Quote RECURVE

Ranger I have 357 7.5 inch horseman great gun I don't see
that model anymore on there web sight do you know if they
quit making it like to get a 44. It out shoots my rugers
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Posted: March 14 2018 at 9:44pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I haven't heard of any production halts of this model.
It's odd that Academy sold this 45 and listed it on their
site but also says it no longer stocks it now. Haven't
looked at other dealers to see if they stock the Horseman
model.

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Posted: March 15 2018 at 9:36am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Update:

Uberti has discontinued the Horseman series as did
Berreta with their Stampede series. Apparently a vast
majority of the so-called "traditionist" bitched & moaned
and forced this very accurate and reliable model out of
production so the "weekend cowboy" wannabes can have
their "traditional" sixgun.

Recurve, if you're seeking a solid and safe single action
that works like a Colt but safer take a look at the EAA
Bounty Hunter. I have a 4 1/2" blued .44Mag model and
it's absolutely the best shooting .44 I ever shot! And
they're around $425 new in the box with a lifetime
warranty. There's a thread on it here in the handgun
section. German precision and strong!

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Posted: March 15 2018 at 3:49pm | IP Logged Quote RECURVE

If they make a 7.5 inch so my eyes work better I'm
interested. Great price
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Posted: March 15 2018 at 6:14pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

7 1/2" is the other barrel length. You're in luck!

Edit: The price range is from $425 to $450 depending from
who and where you buy one. Still an excellent buy for a
very strong and accurate single action.

Edited by Old Ranger on March 16 2018 at 6:48am


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Posted: March 17 2018 at 1:24pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I'm beginning to think that this pistol is zeroed at
150m! Seriously, 5" high at 15m. 7" high at 25m. Over the
top of a box with a paper plate stapled to it, approx 14"
high at 50m. And 7" high at 100m! If I aim 6 o'clock on
the 10" plate at 100m, I hit the upper 2" region.

I do have a theory. Since the cowboy shooting boys and
girls DO NOT shoot full grown up loads and only use
lightweight bullets and wimpy loads, Uberti built this
pistol for them! So.... I'm gonna load some 200gr
RNFP at a grand and see if that prints lower. Its a sure
bet that 250gr bullets at 900fps~925fps has too long
hangtime in the barrel. I may even end up with 180gr or
shooting 148gr round ball!! heaven forbid!


One thing for sure, the trigger is delightful. The fit &
finish is great. And it does shoot dead center for
windage.. Just over the targets!
Reminds me of a saying my dad used to have. Imagine a
loud Yosemite Sam voice here...

"Aim low boys! They're riddin' shetlands!"

Still cracks me up to this day.... Non-horsemen might not
get it. Lots of Yankee folk I've said it to just look at
me like I just broke into French or something..

Edited by Old Ranger on March 17 2018 at 1:26pm


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Posted: March 17 2018 at 3:28pm | IP Logged Quote RECURVE

Like your post's Ranger
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 2:15pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Thank you sir.

Oh, and today I found "The Load" that this long barreled
hand cannon likes. All loads with the Berry's 250gr
plated FPs shot ridiculously high!
So I put on me 'ole thinkin' cap [camouflage of course]
'n done me some figurin'.
Heavy bullet=high impact. Light bullet=low. Light
load=high. Heavy load=low. Hummmm. I had thought of a
200gr RNFP at near top speed. So taking a page from the
"Book of John (Van Gelder)" with his excellent work with
the Lee 200gr RNFP bullet and something written on the
outhouse wall from the "Wall of Wade" on get em going
fast and flat, I combined the two. The results were
nothing short of miraculous!

The load was 8.6gr of Universal with the Lee 200gr RNFP
sized at .452" seated in the crimping groove.
At 15m with a two hand hold I aimed at the 6 o'clock of
the 9" paper plate. And it hit twice on the very bottom
of the plate! I was stunned... Four more aimed dead
center of the plate resulted in three fighting for the
same hole and the fourth a mere 1/8th of an inch right!
Zowie Zoikes! the POI was a scant 3/4" above
the POA. Remarkable. Found "The Load" in under a week.


My thanks to John for his efforts and excellent reporting
of his use of the Lee bullet and making me aware of it to
the point it remains at the forefront of my pistol
loading in the .45 calibers [I load it in the 45ACP as
well]. Gracias amigo!

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Posted: March 18 2018 at 4:11pm | IP Logged Quote RECURVE

That's the bullet I like I shoot low velocity stuff can't
see wasting powder to shoot dirt clods or poke holes in
paper my ruger vaq likes 5grs. Titegroupe also like hp38
and 700x.
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SITREP: One Month Eval......

This piece cannot hit point of aim with a 250gr bullet.
It insists upon 200gr or less to remotely get close to
point of aim. Standard 250gr point of impact is
unacceptably high by nearly half a foot! And unless I
install a one inch tall front sight it never will. But
that would be ridiculous.

I consolidated my 38's. My .44 is perfect. The 45 Colt
open top model shoots absolute point of aim with 250gr
bullets. Only this model holds out and will not conform
to correct placement of the standard bullet.

Further, though the longer barrel adds a bit of velocity,
yet it fits none of my leather and is unwieldy in my
hands. The 5 1/2" open top points better and fits all my
leather. Point shooting with the 5 1/2" feel right where
the 7 1/2" does not.

What appeared promising initially has not met my
expectations. Therefore I'm selling or trading it soon.
Likely selling it as I have no need for any more weapons.
Got plenty for my actual needs. I had such high
hopes but..... Oh well. My personal policy is I won't
keep a gun I can't shoot.

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Old Ranger - your posts are the biggest thing keeping this forum alive.

Keep it up please! I like this place.

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Old Ranger wrote:

Got plenty for my actual needs.


I've said that.

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Posted: April 24 2018 at 8:30pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Guy, if I read your post correctly you are under the
impression I'm selling all my weapons? On the contrary.
I'm selling only one that is pretty, but shoots too high.
My old scouting amigo once said I couldn't walk unless I
was armed. The day they cart off my corpse is when
I'll no longer have need of a weapon! Hoo-ah!

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Posted: April 25 2018 at 1:02pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Sold it at a loss as usual. Contrary to the common
misconception that guns hold value, in reality they don't
unless antique and you got a really interested buyer.
Otherwise you can expect less than half of what you paid
for them and that's about it.

But its gone. Let someone who likes long barrels and
shooting high pistols mess with it! Just wasn't
right for me.

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