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Posted: March 16 2018 at 7:45am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

AA5744. Hummmm. I've used it with great
results in cast rifle loads. .45-70 and
.30'06 ate this powder up with cast rounds
burning very clean and consistent at
moderate on up levels. Low starting loads
tended to leave unburnt powder, but moving
up from the starting loads it burns better
with some soot on cases.

There are several loading sources that
list this powder in calibers such as
.44Spl, .44Mag, and .45 Colt. Longtime
loading research and individual authority,
M.D. Smith is highly impressed with it. He
states his research on velocity spread is
the least with 5744. It apparently bulks
up very well offering little position
sensitivity issues.

This powder interests me in for use in the
44 & 45. So I'm going to try some basic
loads and see if it's a viable option in
my bigbore sixguns. Besides, I have a
pound in my powder magazine and I no
longer shoot bigbore centerfire rifles. So
I don't have much to loose right?

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Posted: March 16 2018 at 8:17am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

5744 seems to have taken the place of SR 4759 in the cast rifle loading community. I bought some a few years ago and generally agree with you, it's great stuff in cast rifle loads.

You may have metering problems with it for pistol loads. All I can say is try it if you have some and good load data for it and please post your results, I'm certainly interested in hearing how it goes.

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Posted: March 16 2018 at 10:40am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

5744 works a lot like sr 4759 and 4227.
It works alright in the 32,38 and 44wcf, 44 mag and 45 colt handguns but with
it being as slow burning as it is is better suited to rifles in those cartridges.

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Posted: March 16 2018 at 12:09pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

.45 Colt; 17gr with Berry's 250gr plated FP at 15m placed
them all in the same hole! I'm serious. Unless I aimed
stupid [which I do now and then] they kept going in the
same spot. 8gr Unique had em in a 2" spread same
distance.

Was shooting off a sand filled gallon kitty litter
container. The 10" fabled plate of iron was taunting me..
Laughing at me. But I put that plate in its place!
Hit it 5 out of 6 rounds with a 6 o'clock hold! Yes, I
did. Old uncle Leo said them old cav boys could
shoot horses and men fairly regular with their long
barrel Colts better than 200yds.
My, oh, my.... Do I like this pistol!

Now the bad news....

Though this powder provides an excellent platform for
remarkable accuracy, after firing 6 rounds I could point
the weapon straight down atop my rest and tap the muzzle
once down on it. About 5gr of unburnt powder would fall
from the bore and empty cases in the cylinder. That's a
lot of unburnt powder I think. This happened in my 45-70
with basic loads with this powder as well. But hey, even
the mythological and unattainable 2400 used to do that
too. So I think a bump up in power will correct this as
it did in the rifles.

And I found that I'm as good, or maybe even better with
my 7 1/2" Colt than I am with that little black rifle,
Dr. Evil at 100m! I believe with my current loads
I'm zeroed close to 150m with this Colt copy. Like a
carrying a carbine on your hip!

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Posted: March 16 2018 at 5:47pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I have not tried AA-5744 in any of my handguns, but a few years back when working up a load for 30-30 using my old Ideal single cavity 31141 172gr. bullet sized .311. I bought a pound each of AA-5744 and the now discontinued SR-4759. The AA-5744 was the winner getting me 2,000 fps with great accuracy in a late 70's early 80's Win. 94.

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Posted: March 16 2018 at 6:34pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

According to the latest Accurate print data I have, they show a 255gr. LSWC...start load is 17.6 gr. (922 fps) to a max. of 19.5 gr. (1011 fps) Max. pressure is 14,000 psi.
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Posted: March 16 2018 at 7:08pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yes sir, thanks. Got that data as well. We're both
thinking alike on this one huh?

Oddly enough, that 17.6gr was where my 60's Lyman #55 hit
when I was increasing the load. Other data on this powder
in the 45Colt is a bit lighter than that of the power
manufacturer. I'm going up slowly with this. One thing
for sure, 17gr put 5 in the same hole at 15m and that
ain't nuthin to sneeze at!

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Posted: March 16 2018 at 7:14pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rick, I was ripping 1" and under with that same bullet
and powder in an '06. Remarkable cast bullet powder!
And if possible I'll find the right pistol load too.

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Posted: March 17 2018 at 10:02am | IP Logged Quote LAH

I have heard 5744 is like 4227 in the 45 Colt as to being
accurate but after looking things over decided it a tad
slow but the proof is in the shooting.

I use it in the 45-70, 25 grains & a 420 cast. Shoots
light out.

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Posted: March 18 2018 at 1:28am | IP Logged Quote RT58

Old Ranger wrote:
Yes sir, thanks. Got that data as well. We're both
thinking alike on this one huh?...


Yes, it sounds like it's at the low end of it's tolerance level. But the fact that it's still accurate has a lot to say about the powder.

I like getting my data from sources that list pressures too, especially now days. Accurate lists loads for the .45 Colt up to 30,000 psi and there are too many guys that will tell you that's too mild. I have several firearms in that caliber and they don't need to be loaded that hot to perform well. It's a great cartridge and always has been.
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Posted: March 18 2018 at 7:44am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I agree. Too many want to turn an old BP cartridge into a
monster magnum. Stupid. [Yes, I said it. I am NOT
politically correct]

The 5744 is an interesting powder. I remember Savage had
a muzzle loader that was designed around this powder some
years back. Then I heard it was discontinued, then
brought back. A busy powder. But often overlooked since
it won't produce blitzing speed in the new short magnum
the kids like these days. Oh well.....

I'll keep pursuit of the sensible and rational loading of
this old war horse. No monster magnum idiocy going on
here at my place. Just plain old common sense.
And I'll keep those that are interested informed of my
progress. 17.6gr is up next.

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I use it in my 7mm TC/U pistol for silhouette matches for chickens, pigs and turkeys.

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richhodg66 wrote:
5744 seems to have taken the place of SR 4759 in the cast rifle loading community. I bought some a few years ago and generally agree with you, it's great stuff in cast rifle loads.

You may have metering problems with it for pistol loads. All I can say is try it if you have some and good load data for it and please post your results, I'm certainly interested in hearing how it goes.


The reason AA5744 is used so much now is because IMR4759 is no longer available.



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Years ago (30+) I played a little with SR4759 in
reduced loadings with the 3006. It worked fine for
it's purpose but...

To say SR4759 is a stick powder is quite an
understatement. This stuff was huge! As big around as
a 1st grade pencil lead and easily 1/4" in length. The
standard 1 lb IMR Red Top can only held 8 oz. From a
Uniflow measure it crunched like a bag of Cheetos. It
metered better from a wheel-barrow than a
powder drop. I can readily understand why it was dis-
continued.


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I use 5744 in cast 223 loads great accuracy.
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Posted: March 27 2018 at 12:01pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

5744 in 45Colt update....

Even with an increase in the load, unburnt powder
abounds! So bad that if I didn't point the weapon
straight down and slap the side of the barrel, unburnt
powder would fall into the action and tie up the action!


With the minor increase to the manufacturer's starting
load, I noted an unusually stronger recoil and much
increased report. Though no physical signs of dangerous
pressure appeared, I was not pleased. Copper plated 250gr
bullets stripped their plating and deposited a great
amount of lead the entire length of the bore. An obvious
indication that even the "starting load" was far too hot.

Was forced to partially disabled the weapon [cocked, and
with a live round in line as well!] to clear the debris
inside. That was not fun. An airhose was used to blow an
amount of unburnt powder out of the weapon's interior.

Due to the massive amount of unburnt powder caused by
this powder in this cartridge, the dangers it creates and
presents, I have discontinued and abandoned all use of it
in my weapons.

I classify this as a failed experiment.

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