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Posted: March 21 2018 at 8:20pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Has anyone seen or handled one of the new Henry break action single shot rifles? I don't have any interest in the brass frame models but the blued steel in .44 Mag would interest me. Just going by the pictures it caught my eye and kinda takes me back many years ago as a farm boy roaming the woods with an old Iver Johnson single shot.

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Posted: March 21 2018 at 8:24pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

A few guys on a .45-70 Facebook page I subscribe to have them now and seem to like them very much.

Honestly, I think I'd look to the CVAs if I wanted such a rifle.


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Posted: March 22 2018 at 8:23pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

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I whine about .45/70 recoil in a Ruger #1 and this little Henry is probably a pound or two lighter. Local dealer has seen one in .243 and said the it appeared very well made and had nice wood. No distributor seems to have any in .44 Mag yet. They're made here in Wisconsin and Henry seems to be making a name for themselves in quality and customer service.
I've got no interest in the brass or other shiney finished guns they make but that little blued steel and walnut stocked single shot looks good to me...in pictures anyway.

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I'll agree they look a lot better than the H&Rs.

I shoot a .45-70 in a Hand Rifle, but I stick with Trapdoor level loads and actually, pretty light for Trapdoor level. As a result, recoil isn't bad even in that little gun and those loads worked great for the deer hunting I do here. That's the beauty of the .45-70, even when it's weak, it's powerful.

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A load I like in the 45-70 is the Lyman #457122, a 330 gr. hollowpoint
bullet over 17.0 gr. of 4759 (if you can find any since the bean counters
had had it discontinued.) Recoil was quite reasonable in my Ruger #1.
Accuracy was good at 1.5" for 5 shots on average.
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Same bullet without the hollow point in front of 30 grains of 5744 was my deer load last Fall.

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Posted: March 25 2018 at 5:53pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Paul B. wrote:
A load I like in the 45-70 is the Lyman #457122, a 330 gr. hollowpoint
bullet over 17.0 gr. of 4759 (if you can find any since the bean counters
had had it discontinued.) Recoil was quite reasonable in my Ruger #1.
Accuracy was good at 1.5" for 5 shots on average.
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How hard do you cast that Lyman hollow point? Have you ever tested it for expansion? I've been thinking about that bullet at lower velocity for the 50 yard shots in our Wisconsin cedar swamps.

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Posted: March 25 2018 at 6:07pm | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Henry needs to chamber these single shots in .357 mag. The .357 mag was/is one of the most sought after chamberings in the H&R Handi rifles. And, the Handi's aren't made anymore.

Some folks would re-chamber the mag to the Max!



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doghawg wrote:
Paul B. wrote:
A load I like in the 45-70 is the Lyman #457122, a 330 gr. hollowpoint
bullet over 17.0 gr. of 4759 (if you can find any since the bean counters
had had it discontinued.) Recoil was quite reasonable in my Ruger #1.
Accuracy was good at 1.5" for 5 shots on average.
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Paul

How hard do you cast that Lyman hollow point? Have you ever tested it for expansion? I've been thinking about that bullet at lower velocity for the 50 yard shots in our Wisconsin cedar swamps.

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For the sped of a load like that, I'd try something like 20 to 1 lead to tin. Expansion probably would be iffy, but the deer I killed with one I'm sure didn't expand at all went down in two steps. Not sure a hollow point or expansion is needed.


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Posted: March 26 2018 at 1:26pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

doghawg wrote:
Paul B. wrote:
A load I like in the 45-70 is the
Lyman #457122, a 330 gr. hollowpoint
bullet over 17.0 gr. of 4759 (if you can find any since the bean counters
had had it discontinued.) Recoil was quite reasonable in my Ruger #1.
Accuracy was good at 1.5" for 5 shots on average.
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Paul

How hard do you cast that Lyman hollow point? Have you ever tested
it for expansion? I've been thinking about that bullet at lower velocity
for the 50 yard shots in our Wisconsin cedar swamps.

Randy


My standard alloy casts out at 11 BHN air cooled and 32 BHN water
dropped. Kind of a convoluted mix of wheel weights, linotype, 95/5%
lead free solder and chill #8 bird shot. I've only shot that bullet on
paper. Not much use for a 45-70 where I hunt.
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Posted: March 26 2018 at 7:43pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Rich

I think you're right on the .458" bullet not needing to expand. The only deer I've shot with a .45/70 was a few years back. It was with a Hornady 300 gr. HP loaded over a generous load of H4198 and the bullet came unraveled after only hitting a rib on the way in. Lots of meat damaged.
I'm older and hopefully a little smarter now and thinking a soft cast bullet in the 1300fps range would be more than enough.
Also...was looking on Cabela site today and they show the .45/70 Henry single shot weighing 6.85 pounds. I suspect that even trapdoor level loads could get a little spicey in a gun that light.

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Posted: March 26 2018 at 8:09pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

I doubt that little H&R of mine weighs 6 lbs, sure can't weigh much more than that. Fortunately, it has a stock that seems to deliver recoil well and a good pad on it. If I shot it a lot from a bench, it would get old, but for 20 shots or so in an afternoon, no problem.

One of the big motivators for wanting to deer hunt with the .45-70 last year was I wanted to use one of my Dad's cast bullets. He is the most avid gun nut and shooter I've ever known, and left me a ton of stuff when we moved him and mom into assisted living, but he was never much of a hunter, so very few of the thousands of cast bullets I inherited are of designs I'd use on deer and he cast bullets a lot harder than I do for hunting. I figured it wouldn't matter if I used the big bore stuff, and I was right. That bullet was probably 1/3 linotype to 2/3 range salvage, most of which was cast stuff on the range he frequented, so I'm guessing a lot harder than #2 alloy, I highly doubt it expanded at all going through that doe, but she still went down real fast with a complete quartering pass through.

When I get serious about hunting with my own stuff in .45-70, I'm going to use probably that standard Lyman 405 grain bullet cast as soft as I can get away with to make 1300 FPS or so and call it good. The .45-70 doesn't need to be a fire breather, and if I ever get the urge to do that, I have a .458 Win mag now

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Buffalogun wrote:
Henry needs to chamber these
single shots in .357 mag. The .357 mag was/is one of
the most sought after chamberings in the H&R Handi
rifles. And, the Handi's aren't made anymore.

Some folks would re-chamber the mag to the Max!



Mike



I am all for a 357 maxi !!!

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Buffalogun wrote:
Henry needs to chamber these single shots in
.357 mag. The .357 mag was/is one of the most sought after
chamberings in the H&R Handi rifles. And, the Handi's aren't made
anymore.

Some folks would re-chamber the mag to the Max!
Mike


I have a Ruger #1A in .357 Mag., one of 500 commemoratives made
marked for the California Highway Patrol. I'd dearly love to get one of
he few that were not marked for the CHP to go with it but I understand
they're extremely pricey. The CHP's ain't exactly cheap either.
Paul B.

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