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Posted: March 22 2018 at 7:36am | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Yesterday, I had new shoes put on the Wrangler. The desk guy was nice enough to give me some used wheelweights and I wound up with about 7.5 lbs.
After sorting through them with a good magnet, I found that about 55% were magnetic.

Some were clearly marked FE. Some non-magnetics were marked Zn.

The pile on the left are non-magnetic and the attractive ones are on the right.

Of interest, the tape weights on the right are bendable with memory(like a refrigerator magnet) but are magnetic, and so contain a ferrous material.



I'll have to go through the non-magnetics to try to sort out any with Zn.
But, I'm grateful for what I got.


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Posted: March 22 2018 at 8:17am | IP Logged Quote Rex

It's tough finding lead weights anymore.
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Posted: March 22 2018 at 8:20am | IP Logged Quote nhblaze

How many wheel weights have you ever
seen that have fallen off, a few yes.

The environmentalist thinks this
happens all the time and the lead must
be removed to save the loons or something.



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Posted: March 22 2018 at 9:07am | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

It's the Loons that are complaining....

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Posted: March 22 2018 at 10:22am | IP Logged Quote Buffalogun

Right Tom, and the bin is overflowing!

After further inspection I wound up with just under 3 lbs. of usable metal. The photo shows the Zn and one AL weights.



Incidentally, the Zn weights are easy to separate using a hammer and hard surface such as an anvil. The Zn's are as hard as woodpecker lips.



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Posted: March 22 2018 at 1:37pm | IP Logged Quote nhblaze

I just drop them on a cement floor
and listen for the "bing" instead
of a thud.

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Posted: March 22 2018 at 2:52pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

I still have a big container of COWW under the back stairs of my house in Eufaula. If I can get one of my sons with his pickup to bring them up here I'd have enough ingots (after smelting ) to last me until I die...

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That's a good situation to be in. Now that I'm shooting on my own place where I will eventually recover the lead from my berm, I'm not that worried. I have quite a bit so it'll be a while before I have to. I can get plenty of range salvage lead form the public range I occasionally shoot on, not real hard, but a lot of what I shoot doesn't require very hard alloy.

Lead is getting harder to find, get it when you can.

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Posted: March 24 2018 at 1:40pm | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

Is zinc sufficiently harder than lead alloys and gilding metal to be a significant hazard to barrels? It wouldn't be as simple an operation, but wouldn't it be a shame if there was a way to cast ZINC bullets as well!
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It's been done. There are problems. One, they are much, much lighter than the lead projectiles a mold is designed to cast so you have to figure that out. I have also heard that zinc will contaminate lead alloys to where they are unuseable and if you set up to cast zinc, you should use all new stuff you will use only for zinc.

Because of the hardness, I bet sizing if you need to is a real bear to do. I don't think zinc is hard enough to damage a barrel, not sure where it ranks compared to copper.

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Posted: March 24 2018 at 2:56pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

You can make zinc bullets, and they can be shot "as cast", altho I'd still T/L them. Don't let them mix with lead, you'll get an unusable oatmeal looking concoction that will only be good for....well, probably nothing.

If you know anyone that shoots cannons they may be interested in them...

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Posted: March 24 2018 at 3:33pm | IP Logged Quote Kosh75287

Looks like the brass used for dullet jackets runs from 114 to 155 Brinell hardness. It looks like pure Zn runs from 2.7 to 3 times that hardness. Surely, it could be alloyed with something to make it softer.

I wonder if Zinc:Antimony might alloy with enough lead to increase bullet weight and decrease hardness.
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Posted: March 24 2018 at 9:27pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

Much fuss and bother about sorting before melting mixed clip on wheel weights is just that, FUSS and BOTHER. I have never separated wheel weights prior to melting, other than to remove as many of the soft stick on weights as possible so that I could keep the softer alloy separate.

Zinc will not melt with the lead unless you really crank up the heat and walk off and leave it unattended. All the lead wheel weights, backstop bullet scrap, or whatever you might toss in the melting container will melt long before the melt temperature can even approach zinc's melting temperature of 787 degrees, or somewhere there abouts. Just toss in plenty of flux, stir and scoop off all the floating steel clips and unmelted weights and you are left with just the lead.

If you are worried about it, which you need not be, just keep a temperature gauge in the melt to see how the lead melts long before the temperature even approaches the melting point of zinc.

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Posted: March 25 2018 at 12:11pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

But you have to remember, some people still put whole wheel weights and whatever into their casting pots.....thereby making messes that they never knew was coming....

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Posted: March 25 2018 at 1:26pm | IP Logged Quote Ham Gunner

I guess some are not set up or do not have such an easy way to make up clean ingots. I can understand not wanting to fill a small casting furnace up with junk just to have to scoop it out again. It never crossed my mind to melt scrap in my clean casting furnace and never having the same alloy each time. Plus there is just too much junk in scrap that I would not want in my casting furnace pot such as pieces of valve stems, etc. But if necessary, I suppose one could sort it all out.

I cast indoors in my basement with a kitchen ventilator above my furnace. I want clean ingots and my furnace never gets anything placed in it that will really smoke other than a bit of flux from time to time and that is easily vented outside.

It is simple to make up a scrap melting pot from an old propane tank. I have cut 20 lb. as well as the smaller 11-12 lb. tanks in half to set on my fish fryer burner for melting scrap outside in the open. Even the smaller tank halves can hold around 100 lbs. of lead. \

I have melted a lot of scrap lead, wheel weights, medical radioactive isotope containers, and Linotype over the years. I estimate it to have been at least 2 1/2 tons of ingots or more with 1 ton of Linotype alone. Years ago I bought out a print shop of their left over scrap for 69 cents/lb. that I melted into mostly 1 lb. ingots. I have a dozen or so of the 25-27 lb. pigs left, but they will require some cutting up in order to melt down even in my large melting pots.

I have never sorted anything out of my melting pots except for maybe some large pieces of obvious junk.

My hat is off to those that have to do it the hard way.

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Posted: March 25 2018 at 2:38pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

I bought a turkey fryer from Walmart and a cast Iron Dutch oven at a
flea market. My ingot making happens there. I don't want junk in my
casting furnaces either.

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I don't think your bullet pot would be that hot to melt
zink and make good bullet's
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Posted: March 25 2018 at 4:55pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

Oh but it will... Believe me... But they won't make good bullets, that's for sure.

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As mentioned, there are black powder cannon shooters who use Zinc. The undersized round balls I shoot in smoothbore shotguns might be a good use for zinc as well.

My thoughts have been to use them in the fishing sinker molds I have. It won't be long before the EPA bans lead in fishing tackle. You'd need a bigger sinker to equal the weight of a lead one, but it seems like it would work fine.


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Melted about 15 lbs. of pb roof flashing yesterday. Pb ingots on the right and WW ingots on the left. And a little range scrap in the middle.
Muffin pans make pretty nice ingots, too.


Ready to go into the LEE pot.



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