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Posted: March 31 2018 at 12:23pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Heavens to Betsy, he did it again!

Just when I was trimming down the herd, selling numerous
seldom used bits of musical gear and some tools no longer
used, fate snuck in and grabbed me!
Fate said "Hey Sarge, ain't tomorrow [31st] some kinda
retirement anniversary for you or sumpin'? You need to
have a treat for this. You know, something to mark the
occasion." This was yesterday morning before I went on my
monthly Pay Call Activities around town.
Fate was riding shotgun with me in my near vintage
Lincoln. But I remained true to form and completed all my
Pay Day activities. Then fate nudge me in the ribs with
an attitude!

I figured what the heck? It doesn't cost nothing to go
look right? So I stopped at one of my favorite local gun
shops just to look around and say hi to the guy inside
the runs the place. Harmless right? Then looking in the
pistol case what do I see? A brand spanking new Uberti
made Colt Single Action in 45 Colt, and with a five and a
half inch barrel, a stunning example of an early model
Colt open top single action! It was exquisite! Finish was
flawless, action tight and right, and the price was
livable. Well it didn't take me long to convert the cash
from the sale of all the old guitar gear and tools into
this new pistol. All Shucks, y'all know me I've always
had a thing for 45 Colt pistols anyway! And conversations
or open tops? Are you kidding? They make me drool!

Back home about 2 hours after that I was out on my range
popping a few rounds with this new piece just to see
where it hit. My-oh-my but at 15 meters it was about half
an inch low. Then at 25 M with a very solid hold, I was
hitting my plate pretty regular. Now the big long-
barreled Uberti has a copy of its Daddy in a slightly
shorter barrel to hang out with!

So it's dog-gone-it part II, Ranger's at it again and out
of control! But hey I still have a very small
collection of weapons still so I'm not going to fuss
about nothing anyway. I blame my European side of the
family for this!

Edited by Old Ranger on March 31 2018 at 12:27pm


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Posted: March 31 2018 at 2:00pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Ah, Wade I have a 10,000 drum set in storage I would like to sell but nobody will give me even 1/2" of that price so I am trying to donate it to a school. Craig

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Posted: March 31 2018 at 6:01pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Craig, if you had paid 10k for a kit, wholesale payment
to you should be 25% of that at a retail shop. And in
today's market you might not even get that.

Back to this retirement anniversary present from me to
me, went out again this morning with some 250gr Barry's
copper plated with 7.8gr Universal. Shot very well. Great
pointing pistol from the hip as well.

Noticed something with this load/powder. When cocked
level or more so, muzzle down, it just "popped". When
cocked with the muzzle elevated, it had that famous deep
bark that a 45Colt is known for. Ummmmm, position
sensitive powder here ya think?
I never noticed Unique ever doing that. I'll be
evaluating the continued use of Universal in the 45Colt.
It's wonderful in the .38Spl, but it fills that case
better too.
Might just go back to BP like I learned to load with way
back when. 40gr of 2F might be hard to stuff in today's
cases but I can get close. That, and an old Ideal 452190
bullet and I'll be all set. We'll see.

One thing's for sure. I will NOT be loading anything hot,
or even kinda warm in this weapon. Based upon an 1861
Colt Navy and having chamber walls as thin as the walls
of a Washington D.C. motel, I'll not go beyond the
standard load of this cartridge.

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Posted: March 31 2018 at 8:06pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Life is short Wade, a man should treat himself once in a while.
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Posted: March 31 2018 at 8:42pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rex, you just relieved 75% of my "post purchase guilt".
Shootin' that open top Colt 45 took care of the rest! Ha!


And the funding was from the sales of stuff I already had
so it's not like I'm blowing my grocery money and such.
You're right. A man should treat himself once in a while.


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Posted: March 31 2018 at 8:44pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Wade

It was the "It doesn't cost anything to look" that got a chuckle out of me. Kinda like an alcoholic at a wine tasting festival....just one little sip...

Randy

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Posted: April 01 2018 at 6:31am | IP Logged Quote M700

Well, have fun with that new 45 revolver of yours. Seems like a good one from your words.

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Posted: April 01 2018 at 6:40am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well it almost was a no sale if that large lad kept
pulling out from under the counter every pistol but the
one I was pointing at. I had asked that boy twice to look
at the open top and pointed right at it but he kept
pulling out Smith & Wesson's and Ruger's and all kinds of
guns except the one I wanted to see. I damn near walked
out. I finally got his attention when I said "Son do you
need to borrow my hearing aids I said that one!" as I
pointed at the open top.

Yes, I'm a mean grumpy old man, but I don't like being
ignored when I'm talking either. So it almost was a no-
sale day after all. Was real close to being just case of
costing nothing to look.

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Posted: April 01 2018 at 8:21am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

At least guns don't go down in value if
you treat them right unlike most other
junk that clutters up a guys life.

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Posted: April 01 2018 at 6:40pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well my weapons are ALWAYS clean, oiled, and extremely
well cared for. Didn't have much coming up and we took
care of what we had.

The Lee 255gr RNFP bullet with about 8gr Unique is a real
shooter in this one. Pinpoint at 15m to 20m. Hold up a
little front sight and 50m is not an impossibly.
The Barry's copper plated FP 250gr isn't bad with 7.8gr
Universal, but that powder is position sensitive in a
45Colt case. Like Unique better in this caliber.

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Posted: April 01 2018 at 7:59pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Yup, understand taking care of stuff, my
main point though was that the vast
majority of things a guy could spend money
on go down in value not hold their own.

A car, truck, atv, tractor, furniture,
most tools, musical instruments,
electronics, etc . . . If you buy them and
then go to sell them ten years later with
rare exception you ain't getting much of
any of what you originally paid for any of
it back in the selling.

Guns though you usually can get very close
if not full value back in the selling.
They hold their value.

Real-estate of course is even better since
it usually not only holds value but
actually goes up in value.

So it is a very wise man who spends his
money not on junk that looses value but
rather on stuff that goes up in value or
at least holds relatively even. If one
must live with a bunch of stuff in one's
life, owning the real-estate out right and
then what stuff one fills it with being
stuff holds value rather then goes down in
value is the smart way to do the "stuff"
thing.

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Posted: April 03 2018 at 7:34am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I had something kind of scary happened yesterday with
this weapon. I was banging away with some rather heavy
loads for the design, and apparently the screw that
retains the barrel wedge had vibrated enough to allow the
wedge to fall out. Had the weapon by my side when the
barrel and cylinder fell to the ground!
I was standing there with the grip and frame in my hand.
Never in all my years of shooting Colt BP revolvers and
conversions of same has this ever happened.
I picked up the pieces and cleaned them. Reassembled the
weapon and returned to my shooting.

Had I fired the weapon without the barrel wedge in place,
the barrel likely would have been blown out into the
woods and the cylinder would've remained on the frame by
virtue of pressure and momentum, but the blast wouldn't
be anything I'd enjoy.

So, lessons learned. Follow your instincts on loads. I
was hesitant to shoot this load as I felt it was too much
for this weapon. Oh, chamber pressure was in safe limits
but it was stout. Too stout as it vibrated all the screws
loose! I should've known better to try it. I was
following advice from another loader in town. Good
thing I only loaded 10 to test at two distances. It only
took 8 to rattle my weapon apart....

And a reminder to others, again..... Keep your screws
tight! I'd mentioned this in another post and got the
"Well I use Loktite." remarks. Ok, but you cannot use it
on barrel wedge retaining screws or cylinder screws on a
Smith for example. Some guns simply can't be glued
together. So I'll say it again.

Go over your weapons with a screwdriver when cleaning
them!! There's 6 screws alone that hold a triggerguard
and backstrap to a Colt, 5 for a Ruger. Even grip screws
on a Smith or Colt can get loose from vibration. Only
takes a couple of minutes to tighten em up.

Edited by Old Ranger on April 03 2018 at 7:35am


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I have a couple of the Uberti, .45 Colt copies. One for special occasions it is the black powder Colt copy with the large ejector button, the base pin is held in with a screw through the frame, case hardened frame and the charcoal bluing on the other parts, something to wear to church on Sunday.

The other is my "working" gun a millennium edition, with a dull finish on the brass grip frame and the rest of the gun in something that looks like parkerising. Both of those guns are real shooters seem to be regulated for 255 grn bullets. My standard load is 8 or 9 gr. of Unique under the Lee 255 RNFP. They are in the 4 3/4" barrel length. If you do your part you can easily keep all of your shots on a hat at 100 yards.

Several years ago Paco Kelly wrote an article about those guns.

I just went back and re read you last post and just realized you are talking about a cartridge conversion of a percussion design gun. Must be my OCD .. "old codgers disease"..j
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Posted: April 13 2018 at 7:07am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Just wait until they ban all private ownership of fire arms, then the guns you have will be worth more than gold.. in the right market..!
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Yes sir, the open top was Colt's first entrance into an
all cartridge design prior to 1873 when the fabled SAA
was created. Prior to the open top there were the
Richards
& Mason conversions of 1851 Navy's and 1860 Army's with
alterations to the frame and adding an ejector rod
assembly. But in 1871 & 1872 the open top was indeed
Colt's first genuine cartridge gun. Remarkable bit of
engineering on both designs.

I have a copy of the Colt 1860 Army Conversion in .38Spl.
Its the straightest shooting .38Spl I've shot in decades.
And it's rear sight is like the percussion models, a
notch in the hammer's nose. It shoots absolutely dead
center at 25m. Exactly.

The open top, correctly named Model 1872, has the same
front sight of the 1860 Army, but at the breech area of
the barrel just where the forcing cone ends, there's a
small bit of metal forged into a slight crown. It is
notched in the center forming a rear sight. Crude of
course, but it's effective. With 7gr of Unique and the
Lee 255gr RNFP when I am holding correctly, it puts them
dead center at 25m. My issue is due to difficulties in my
hands and such resulting from medical issues, I now
normally shoot like a massive mound of horse droppings!
Always left! My good shooting is done sitting down with
drawn up knees leaning against a tree. Standing with one
or both hands I constantly shoot left. Constantly.

But the above infirmities are a physical issue with the
shooter and not that of the weapons. They are delightful
and as perfect as can be had. Just my shooting ability
sucks these days.

The open top and conversions have fascinated me ever
since I was employed by a university's museum to do
weapons restoration for them long ago. They had a vast
collection and in that were almost half a dozen of these
weapons.

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I have always had good accuracy out of my 1858 Remington copy. My best shot was on a jackrabbit, out on the desert, I rolled him over at 50 of my paces, with a round ball and 35 gr. of FFFG. I had dabbled with the thought of a conversion unit for that gun.

Back when I had a Ruger Old Army, I used to load the lee conical bullet, it weighed 200 grains, with a full charge that gun came close to duplicating the commercial .45 Colt load energies.

I gave that gun to a life long friend of mine, who was doing a lot more BP shooting than I was. That was about the time I started working up loads for my Redhawk .45

I have a number of different bullets from my 200 grn up to a 350 grn. A load that works well in that gun is 10 gr of Unique under the Lee 255 grn RNFP, those are over 1000 fps in my 5.5 Redhawk. That gun and load along with two speed loaders and I am ready to head down into the vine maple thickets to look for the problem bear if I have one.
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Had two Old Army's. One back in the 70's and one from the
90's I bought last year. Not a fan of Ruger. Sold the
first one after a few months. Didn't care for it then.
Bought a newer one last year. Had a .45Colt cylinder with
it too. The loading lever latch blew off it when shooting
and fell to my feet. The factory glued it in with epoxy
when assembled! That's stupid! So I silver soldered it in
place and dumped it fast and never looked back!

When the stormtroopers break down my door and zap me with
stunguns then, with me on the floor cussing them in
English, Spanish, and Vietnamese, they're gonna take one
look at my meager little bit of arms and laugh. Then
after turning me loose one will say "Hey old man, your
guns are so old of a design maybe we should leave you one
of ours so you'll be more up to date"
(Only reason they'd sneak up on me would be I'd have my
hearing aids out! )

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Wade

That may not be a joke any longer.. Gun Confiscation
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And a second revolution may be in the future too.



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Wade

Things could get ugly..
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