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Posted: April 03 2018 at 1:30pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I loaded a handful of .38 Special cases with 12 grains 2400, CCI standard primer and a 158 grain cast bullet.
First 6 shot well and the 7th also, but the 8th made a small poof (wind was blowing hard and I had earmuffs on) and the cylinder locked up. I thought "damned old fool forgot to put the powder in". Came home, dropped a wood dowel down the barrel and tapped the bullet back in, pulled the round, pulled the bullet and there was the proper powder charge in there. Primer showed a light dimple but it had to have gone off, the powder charge just didn't light.
I've never seen this before and it makes me a bit goosey now.
Any Ideas?????
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Posted: April 03 2018 at 2:00pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Not sure but I would try to set off the primer now to see if it for sure lit before. I have had a few that didn't go off but on the second try went off but if it pushed the bullet out to the cylinder
it it had to light off. Sounds like a squib except you got no powder going off. Craig Boy after rereading my own post I am not sure it's either of these things.

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Posted: April 03 2018 at 2:10pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Craig, I spread the powder out on a bench and lit it with my lighter. It burned fine.

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Of the thousands of CCI small pistol primers I've use I've had a few that just didn't go off at all but never this.

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Posted: April 03 2018 at 2:24pm | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

Yeah Rex I do feel if it moved the bullet the primer had to fire just not the powder. Go figure. Craig

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Posted: April 03 2018 at 3:32pm | IP Logged Quote RECURVE

Does the primer have a hard smack or light strke?
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Posted: April 03 2018 at 4:30pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Wonder if it was just a bad primer that didn't have enough flame to light the
powder?

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Posted: April 03 2018 at 4:56pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

It sure has me beat. Only had a small dimple on the primer but without ignition I'm not sure it would have much more. I've had just a handful that were complete duds out of many thousands that I have used. I doubt my full attention will be on the sights next few I try tomorrow. I've got a few hundred more of these then a few thousand Winchester primers to try.
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Posted: April 03 2018 at 5:02pm | IP Logged Quote dahlin

Rex my #11 Speer manual does not list that load with cast bullets but they do list 2400 with jacketed bullets now they say to use 550 primers but the #13 manual said not to use 550 primers could cause high pressure. 12gr could be a stout loud. Randy
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Posted: April 03 2018 at 6:18pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Randy, that 12 grains of 2400 is close to the original 38-44 load but not as stout as Skeeter Skelton or Elmer Keith used. For use in an N frame 38 special or .357 revolver. It is mild enough not to prod my arthritis and shoots pretty nice in my revolver.
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Posted: April 03 2018 at 6:38pm | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Rex can you pop that primer out and see if the anvil is still there , or any of the
priming compound?


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Posted: April 03 2018 at 7:32pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

CCI primers are too thick in my opinion. This is not that
uncommon for a light strike. Their cup it just too thick.

More ductile yet resilient primers are from. Remington,
Winchester, and Federal.

My 2 cents worth....

You may now return to your regularly scheduled
programming.

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Posted: April 04 2018 at 4:46am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Don, I dropped the primer coming out of the case and can't find it on my dirty shop floor. Suspect it lit in a bucket of spent primers.
It was almost like I had powder contamination in one case but not sure how that could happen.
I've got a dozen more of that load session to shoot today so will see what happens.
Wade, I'm almost down to the last CCI and will try some Winchesters that I have.
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Posted: April 04 2018 at 5:35am | IP Logged Quote Desert Eagle41

I have used Winchester primers for oh I don't know 50 years or so and like them. I have had trouble seating CCI in the past and gave up on them!! Craig

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Posted: April 04 2018 at 6:09am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Don't forget your wooden dowel Rex, ya know, just in
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Posted: April 04 2018 at 6:15am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Old Ranger wrote:
Don't forget your wooden dowel Rex, ya know, just in
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Posted: April 04 2018 at 8:03am | IP Logged Quote Ranch 13

Rex, it could of been some case lube in the case, or if you're seating those
primers using the press it's possible to have damaged the primer.
I have had problems from time to time with enlarged primer pockets or some
times crimped primer pockets that didn't get the crimp completely removed.
I guess I must run on the lucky side I've ran thru I don't know how many
thousands of CCI primers and never had any of the problems with them I read
about on the internet.

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Posted: April 04 2018 at 9:46am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Yes, I reprime on a Dillon 550 and sometimes get a little rough with it. I haven't had a ton of trouble with CCI, just a few and in different guns but I expect there is a bum primer in every brand once in a while.
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Contaminated primer??
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Could be a contaminated primer.
I've never had it happen with 2400, but with lilgun 296 and h110, if the crimp
isn't exactly tight enough , those will send you to the work bench to drive a
bullet back into the cylinder.

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It happens some time ...I have had anything from bugs to
some lube in the bottom of the casings...

I have no idea how these effect a round but I suspect
trying to blow a lady bug off a primer (we have a plague
if them every fall) might effect detention... I try to
keep them upside down till the powder dump but ....

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