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Posted: April 07 2018 at 8:34pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Was out at my favorite reloading shop today to get
supplies. Rick[owner] was loading 357's on one of those
"Blue loading things". I watched a bit as we yacked and I
gotta tell ya I was not impressed. The Dillon has WAY too
many moving parts and looked as rickidy as a shot up
boxkite! I simply cannot ever imagine trusting ammo that
comes off that machine.

I realize there are bunches of y'all that use 'em but I'm
sticking with my old Lyman gear from the early 60's. They
ain't rickidy with bunches of stuff hanging off of ' em.


Ok, now the "Defenders of Dillon" may initiate their
assault on the above Blasphemous Speech! Ha ha ha

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Posted: April 07 2018 at 8:45pm | IP Logged Quote safari100

Same reason I do not load shot shells on Posness Warren or Spolar presses. I will stick with MEC, easy to adjust and home fixable.

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Posted: April 07 2018 at 8:51pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Call me a coward if you want, but I am just plain afraid of progressive reloaders and I will never own one. If I ever get that pressed for time, I'll start buying bulk ammo instead of loading it.

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Posted: April 08 2018 at 12:55am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Lee heavy cast iron frame auto indexing 4-
stage turrent press is the most automated
that I am willing to go.

And even then if I'm loading bottle neck
rifle cartridges that are more then just
neck size only I use the big cast iron
single stage press to size all the brass
first before using the auto indexing
turrent press for the actual loading.

For high precision long range rifle loads
I use the 7-stage manually indexed turret
press because it is "tighter" then the Lee
and I need the extra stages since I often
am using a very complicated loading setup
with often 2 sizing stages (double
adjustable body and shoulder sizing die
and separate mandrel and collet neck
sizing die), a die mounted
precission trimmer, high precission
powder drop, a precise
adjustable pressure pre-load powder
compression die with ultrasonic vibrator,
a micrometer bullet seating die, and
finally a very fine adjustment collet
crimp die. You can't mount all of that in
the Lee auto indexing press and the
turrent disk constantly rotating twists up
the trimmers power cord. With the manual
turrent press you just rotate back to the
first step after each completed round
instead of going around and around so the
trimmer power cord doesn't get wound up
and you can gently rotate the manual
turrent rather then the jarring jerk
motion of the Lee auto indexing turrent
press.

I really like turrent presses and
companies like Dillon I believe would not
be wrong to offer a good turrent press in
their line as well instead of just the
progressive presses.

I would be interested in a manual turrent
press with an even tighter lockup an
lineup on each stage and even more stages
then my current 7-stage. Sometimes for
some loads 7-stages isn't enough an I have
to separate out brass sizing and prep (3-
sizing stages were I don't have a double
adjustable body shoulder die for a
particular caliber and have to use two
dies for that plus the neck size die plus
the pression die mounted trimmer) and
loading for duplex loads with two
different powder drops plus the
compression die and the bullet seater die
and crimp die. That would by a total of
9-stages which don't all fit together in
the 7-stage press all at the same time.

Edited by turbo1889 on April 08 2018 at 1:08am


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Posted: April 08 2018 at 5:05am | IP Logged Quote Rex

I have used a Dillon 550B for 18 years without nary a hiccup. I don't switch loads on it, just set it and forget it. Occasionally clean the dust and spilt powder off of it, it doesn't set in the cleanest of environments.
I do have an old Pacific single stage for the rifles and
odd loads I want to make.
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Posted: April 08 2018 at 11:23am | IP Logged Quote joed

I've owned Dillon progressives for 18 years too and find nothing
wrong with using them.   Instead of spending 2 or 3 nights
reloading empties I can now knock them out in an hour.

Started with a 550B, then picked up a 1050. I was so impressed
with the 1050 that I sold the 550B and purchased a 650xl.   

I'm sold on progressives and have had no problems at all.   

The only thing I'll say is you have to have some mechanical ability
to use them successfully as from time to time they need
adjustments and a good cleaning.

When it comes to rifle I still do them on the rock chucker though
as I don't do large numbers for rifle.

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Posted: April 08 2018 at 3:01pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

I have the Dillon 550B set up for 9MM and it hasn't been a problem. I
recently got the complete set up for .45 ACP but haven't set it up yet.
Usually, when I load handgun rounds, it's usually one thousand or
more, sometimes lots more. Working steadily running 6 to 8 hours a
day will use up the better part of a week, sometimes more depending
on how many rounds. IIRC, it took 8 days running from 6 to 8 hours to
make up 1,800 + target loads for my .38 Spl. It took a week and half to
do 1,000 .45 ACP several years back and I'm gonna have to do that all
over again pretty soon. That ammo was all done on a Rockchucker
BTW.
I did roughly 1,300 9MM in about 5 hours on the Dillon. Probably could
have gone faster but I was learning the tool at that time.
Just for laughs and grins, a while back I found a case of Winchester
.38 Spl. match ammo with the 149 gr. wadcutter. I have a very nice
S&W K-38 so compared my handloads vs the Winchester. The
Winchester lost by a noticeable margin. They also leaded the barrel
badly. I'll just plink with them to get the brass.
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Posted: April 10 2018 at 2:43pm | IP Logged Quote USA Joe

I have used Dillon machines since 1972 ish and have
settled on XL 650's for my Rifle loads in excess of 100 &
known loads! As for working up its single stage! No
problem when I when I have brain engaged !

Stay safe and alert Joe

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Posted: April 13 2018 at 7:05am | IP Logged Quote M700

Most of the competitive rifle & pistol shooters I know - the fellows who really shoot a lot - use a Dillon or other progressive machine.

Otherwise how do you come up with 20,000+ rounds of ammo a year?

And the progressive can make very good ammunition.

I'm not currently using a Dillon, am just enjoying my little Lyman turret press, but there might be a bright blue press lurking in the closet of my loading room... :)

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Posted: April 16 2018 at 3:49pm | IP Logged Quote getsmart

I am learning to use my Dillon 650xl (a birthday present from my wife and daughter). It is much more involved than my single stage, but I am getting the hang of it.

My rule is slow and steady. I am starting with .223, and so far so good. I check about every other powder charge and every OAL. Like I said in another post. It is slow going at this point.

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Posted: April 18 2018 at 5:16am | IP Logged Quote RT58

I've never used a Dillon so I can't say if I like them or not. I do have an RCBS Piggyback II conversion and have no problem with it, even though I don't use it much anymore.

I prefer to load on a single stage, for various reasons of my own personal preference, but when I needed a lot of ammunition in a short time the PBII loaded ammunition that worked just as well as a single stage.

Preparation of the brass is important in getting good ammo and it can still be possible on a progressive, with a little more work. But for the guys that are loading a ton of ammo to take to the range and blast away, get a progressive.
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Posted: April 26 2018 at 8:22am | IP Logged Quote Bohica793

I have two (2) Hornady LNL progressives, one setup for
9mm and the other for 40S&W. During the first three
months of this year, I loaded almost 20k rounds on
these two machines (I shoot around 1k rounds/week
training for pistol matchs). I do not use case
feeders and my bullet feed setup consists of rigid
tubing and Mr Bullet feed dies.

These presses produce 500-600 rounds per hour without
being in a hurry, just smooth motion. They have a
minimum of moving parts and produce very uniform
rounds consistently. The Hornady powder measures drop
consistently within one tenth of a grain and are spot
on 99% of the time.

I have never owned or used a Dillon. I may break down
and acquire one at some point just to see what all the
fuss is about, but from looking at a couple of them my
friends own, I have to agree with Ranger that there
are just too many parts involved.

I also have a Lee Classic Cast single stage I use for
all of my rifle ammo and a Classic Cast turret that I
use for lower volume loading of 38/357 and 45LC.



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Posted: April 26 2018 at 4:14pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Your description of the Hornady LNL makes that seem like a great option!
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Posted: May 18 2018 at 7:56pm | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Yep, I find if I load moderate powder levers and go smooth, not fast, they work pretty good for the most part but you have to keep your eyes on the playing field (shell holder) because there are little trolls in there watching and the second you pop an eye to the side, you will miss a primer, have your powder run empty or not drop a bullet onto the case... which them spills into the loaded ammo tray . But for the most part I can load 500 in an hour.

And progressive users, I just posted in long gins about loading 223 on a progressive, can you check that thread and give any advice?

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Posted: May 19 2018 at 8:44am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well I'm progressive. I started loading 45Colt with a 310
and black powder. I progressed to a Lyman Spartan and
Spar-T bench mounted press. Shucks, I even use smokeless
powder too! If that ain't progressive I don't know
what is.

(Don't tell nobody but I still load a bunch with the
310... Shhhhhh, that's a secret though. I'm tryin' to
sound all progressive and stuff. If those big fancy boys
with their big snazzy blue contraptions hear that,
they're gonna start gigglin' 'n skip a stroke on their
machines and mess up. We can't have that now. )


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