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Posted: April 08 2018 at 5:25am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well we've been inundated over the many past years that a
hard cast bullet is the only way to go in our shooting
and reloading. It's become "the way" for reloading as
we've had everyone in magazines, internet forums, and
YouTube telling us so. When I was younger, I used a much
softer bullet. In fact it was just a little bit above
pure lead, somewhere around 20 to 1. And I did great for
decades with this one source of lead that I had. But,
when it dried up and I no longer had that alloy I began
to experience letting in my Barrel ever since. Which
brings me to the topic of this thread. Buying somebody
else's bullet.

Despardo Cowboy Bullets has been around for a few years
now and apparently is the only company that is making a
soft lead bullet cast from 20 to 1 alloy. Imagine that?
Further, their bullets are flat based. Bevel base bullets
are horrible with black powder. They ain't much better
with black powder substitute. And I'm not convinced that
they even work well with this newfangled smokeless stuff!
Somehow I like the idea of a commercially cast Bullet
from a softer, and more usable alloy and having a flat
base. And one additional perk as they say, is that this
company uses a soft lubricant that is compatible with
both black powder and smokeless powder. That right there
with the above combination of features grabbed my
attention quickly.

Now this outfit normally sells in groups of 500 or better
at a reasonable price, by the way. But they also sell
"samplers" as they call them in groups of 100. That beats
the pants off of outfits that just sell "samples" in like
25. So I ordered up Samplers of 200 grain and 250 grain
.452" to test in my two 45 caliber single actions. Due to
the sighting of these individual revolvers, one requires
a 200 grain where the other requires a 250 grain for
either to shoot dead center at point of aim. Otherwise, I
would have just bought 1 sampler in 250 and been done
with it. But the fact that this company makes flat based
bullets and are cast from 20 to 1 alloy with a soft lube,
well gosh, I just have to try it. I mean what have I got
to lose?

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Posted: April 08 2018 at 6:38am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Good to know. I like casting my own, and will when the need arises, but casting is a pretty significant time commitment and there may be a time I want to just buy them and be done with it.

Most of my shooting anymore really seems to be punching holes in paper with .30 caliber or 7mm rifles and I cast for both. It doesn't seem like there are a lot of commercial outfits that cast rifle bullets out there.

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Posted: April 08 2018 at 7:41am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I don't mind casting at all. Been doing it for over half
a century, but..... Lately everything, or practically
everything, is crap. Barrel leading crap. Apparently I've
become an idiot because there are some that are telling
me how wonderful their stuff is and how they don't have
leading issues. So that makes me stupid I guess since I
can't cast a stinking bullet worth a **** anymore. Fine.
Whatever.... Thus I will find an outfit that can. Perhaps
Despardo can provide me with a solution. Every other
casting outfit makes bevel based, hard cast, useless
lubed bullets that lead the bore worse than the garbage I
cast now. And if that fails, well I still have my
recurves and longbow. Last time I checked they didn't
foul up from shooting my arrows.

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Posted: April 08 2018 at 3:21pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

"And I'm not convinced that they even work well with this newfangled
smokeless stuff! "

Ranger. I cast a 200 gr. bevel based .452" bullet that otherwise is a
very close copy of the H&G #68. (SAECO #068) It's been very accurate
in my Colt Combat Commander and there has been little of no leading.
Basic alloy has been cleaned wheel weights with a bit of tin added.
Bullets cast out at .453" and run through a .453" die to add the lube.
BHN # is 11 on the scale. I ran some of that load through a match
grade 1911 based on a Caspian frame and Colt Gold Cup slide. With
the gun in a Ransome rest, it put 10 shots in 2" at 50 yards. Can't beat
that with any kind of ugly stick. Wish I could shoot that good.
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Posted: April 08 2018 at 3:42pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Betcha if I loaded em I'd get lead all up and down the
bore! That's gonna be on my headstone:

"Everything he cast or shot leaded up his weapons"

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Posted: April 08 2018 at 4:42pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

That's gonna be on my headstone:

"Everything he cast or shot leaded up his weapons"[/QUOTE] "BUT HE WAS STILL A FINE MAN"
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Posted: April 08 2018 at 7:09pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Have you considered paper patching? As I
understand reading between the lines of
your posts, Old Ranger, you are retired
and have more time then money.

Even I being self employed and pulling
some long work days still find a little
time to do up a few paper patched bullets
for a few guns that can make full use of
them like my 375-H&H and 357-max.

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Posted: April 09 2018 at 6:43am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I paper patched 45-70 for a bit. Its not that I'm
unskilled but it's a tedious and labour intensive
enterprise. Though John paper patches pistol bullets with
great success, me personally, that's too extreme for me.
And further, due to age and a minor stroke, my dexterity
is pretty well shot. Trying to manipulate things like
that now would send me into a rage.

Nope, I'm looking forward to the new bullets arrival and
will load them in brand new Starline brass, Rem 2 1/2
primers, and a proper amount of Trail Boss powder. I
figured the TB should eliminate position sensitivity all
together and be consistent in the loads. Now if this
fails I don't know what I'm going to do. Rangers don't
just throw in the towel and quit, but they can fall back
and regroup. So we'll see.

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Posted: April 09 2018 at 7:38am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

TB as you say should help and another
option you might try is using Cream of
Wheat filler between the powder and bullet
base. You do have to start at a low
powder charge and rework the load but
using Cream of Wheat filler does work not
only to fully fill the case and keep the
powder down in the bottom up against the
primer but also does help with leading
issues as well. I don't know exactly why
and there are various theories ranging
from a scrubbing action on the bore
following the bullet to it acting to
protect the bullets base to it acting like
"leak stop" and plugging any gas cutting
around the bullets base. Basically how I
do it is to weigh or volumetric measure
out the powder charge and put it in first
and tap or vibrate the case to fully
settle and level out the powder charge.
Then I volumetrically measure out an
amount of dry Cream of Wheat cereal such
that when the bullet is seated it will
slightly compress the load so everything
stays where it is supposed to stay.
Volumetric measure for the Cream of Wheat
filler can be as simple as Lee dippers or
as complex as a second Lee auto disk
mounted in a powder through die right on
my turrent press after the one for the
powder. If you try this remember that you
do have to start with a bottom end powder
charge and rework the load back up because
the Cream of Wheat filler does alter the
internal ballistics. But it can solve
leading issues especially when using plain
base bullets with a tappered base edge in
high pressure/power chambering.

Just another potential way to attack the
problem you could try.

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Posted: April 11 2018 at 1:45pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Hot dog boys and girls! The bullet arrive today, one day
ahead of schedule even. 100 rounds apiece in a heavy
thick sealed bag. Very good castings Weight was
consistent round to round. The bullet Lube was a soft
tacky almost purple colored compound.

Loaded 10 rounds of the 250 grain round-nose for my Colt
open top revolver. And loaded 10 rounds of the 200 grain
round-nose for my 7 and 1/2 in Colt Single Action Army.
Both were loaded to the Hodgdon Factory recommended upper
load. Then off to the range!

firing the open-top First with the heavier bullet, at 7
& a half meters 10 rounds at a 9 inch paper plate. Aiming
point was just Center of the plate. Nothing marked to
distract me. I have to admit I didn't shoot real good
with this five and a half inch open top I was kind of
spread out. But switching to the 7 and 1/2 in Single
Action Army and the 200 grain load I shot very well.
About an inch and a half above Center, but many bullets
were clustering among themselves and I had, excluding
three Flyers that were my stupid as they say or as I say,
I had 7 that were in about an inch and a half group with
many fighting for the same hole. Can't complain.

Clean up was a joy! Zero. I repeat, zero Lead in the bore
of either pistol. The softer bullet with the softer
lubricant Was the ticket to keep my weapons from getting
all lead filled. Secretly, I kind of suspected that all
along. The Trail Boss powder performed very well.
Consistent ignition and good accuracy. I suspect the
less-than-stellar shooting I did with the open-top was
mostly me. But, it burned very clean, and I remember
doing so when I shot it in the 45-70 several years ago.
Consistency and clean burning. I remember it from earlier
days and I believe I will put Trail Boss on my "buy and
stock up list" for the future.

So, Desperado Cowboy Bullets. Deal or dud? I say deal!
Zero lead, accurate, clean, and affordable. A deal. And
like I said before, I had suspected that those stupid
hard cast bullets that we've been hammered to buy Have
just been making things difficult for this old man.
Softer bullets are the way to go.

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Posted: April 11 2018 at 5:40pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

That's great news! But they are going to have to change your Headstone now.
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Posted: April 11 2018 at 6:45pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup.

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Posted: April 26 2018 at 7:08pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Further work with Unique, Universal, Bullseye, W231, FFF
APP, and FFF BP all gave good results. Had no leading
from any load with these Despardo Cowboy Bullets. None.
As long as I kept 'em in the "standard" load or less
ballpark these bullets performed great! Lube was good
with smokeless, real BP, and my favorite BP sub.
I am pleased with them.

Though I'm chopping off lead from the big plate, it's
slow going. Sure, I prefer to shoot the old Ideal 454190
in my .45 Colt, but something tells me I'm gonna be
loading and shooting these babies from Despardo a bunch.
They are, without a doubt, the greatest commercial cast
bullets I have ever shot!
Yeppers, these folks got it right!

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