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Posted: April 08 2018 at 7:49pm | IP Logged Quote Vandikar1

just burned up my 2nd depriming/resizing on my dillon 550b.

The juice just is NOT worth the squeeze for rifle rounds.

nothing but headache.

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Posted: April 08 2018 at 8:12pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Not understanding. You ruined a sizing die? How does that happen?

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Posted: April 09 2018 at 6:45am | IP Logged Quote joed

I don't quite follow either.   

Word of advice loading on a progressive, keep an eye on the
decapping pin as they tend to come loose on a progressive.

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Posted: April 09 2018 at 6:51am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Forget the Dillon. Too many moving parts. Just get a
single stage for your rifle loading then. Part of the
"Keep it simple" system.

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Posted: April 09 2018 at 7:48am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Yup, a heavy frame single stage press for
rifles with the possible addition of a
turrent press if you want to load rifle
loads quicker then a single stage but
still avoid problems. With a turrent
press though I still recommend using a
heavy frame single stage press for full
length sizing of bottle neck cartridge
rifle brass and then use the turrent press
to speed up the rest of the loading
process. Neck size only or fairly
non-bottle-neck rifle brass like 45-70
works fine on a turrent press.

You could also size your rifle brass on a
heavy frame single stage and then use your
Dillon for the rest of the loading
process. AKA, sit at the single stage and
size up a whole bucket of rifle brass and
then take the bucket of sized brass over
to the Dillon and use it to load it all
up. This would give you the additional
benefit of freeing up one die hole in the
Dillon which you could use to advantage as
well such as separating the seating and
crimping steps, or doing duplex powder
loads with two powder drops, or loading
using a flowing granular filler with a
powder drop and then a filler drop, or
using a precission powder compression die
for loads that it would be advantages for,
or using a universal neck mouth belling
die for easier cast bullet loading, or
using a mandrel and collet neck sizing die
which arguably can improve consistency and
tthus accuracy over loads that were just
sized with a full length sizing die only,
etc . . . One more open die hole can give
you a lot of options.

Edited by turbo1889 on April 09 2018 at 8:00am


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Posted: April 10 2018 at 2:51am | IP Logged Quote USA Joe

joed wrote:
I don't quite follow either.   

Word of advice loading on a progressive, keep an eye on
the
decapping pin as they tend to come loose on a
progressive.

     I load every thing on a couple of Dillon XL 650's
From 30M1 carbine to 458 Winchester /30-30/308/30-06 /
308 Norma mag /270 Winchester/ 243 Winchester & 223 !
Dillon Does not make Carbide Dies for all these Calibers
and I use the Dillon spray lube on all rifle rounds Not
on any pistol !
      Its a learning experience for sure! Bench not
secure / small primers can & will turn over Gravel
stone in 223 will destroy decap pin (range brass)
Headspace gage Required on set up especially 223 !

       Remember to take good notes If I only load a
couple of Boxes or test loads its on the single press
when it comes to buckets of brass the Dillon !

        Stay safe   Joe

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Posted: April 17 2018 at 8:44pm | IP Logged Quote Vandikar1

got my decapping resizing die from dillon and i'm trudging through the process. i repeat though, the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.

Primers that wont seat in the brass or partially seat because they're surplus military and have to be swagged, the non-boat tail bullets i bought that have to be pressed into the neck before i seat the bullet because they dies dont flair out the end of the brass in any way. The brass that has to be cut down as it is too long.

.223 is not an expensive round. I use the hell outta my press for all variety of pistol loads but i hold off as long as is humanly possible to do rifles in hopes that i will be struck by lightning before i get to that point so as to avoid the painful experience.

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Posted: April 27 2018 at 7:03am | IP Logged Quote M700

Ah, I think I'm starting to understand.

Ya, I usually buy my .223 ammo, its so inexpensive, and the factory stuff does exactly what I need most of the time for my AR-15 out to 300 yards or so. I only handload for the .223 when I want to make some hunting ammo, or something more accurate for longer range shooting.

When it comes to other rifle rounds though... Wow! Some of that stuff, especially "premium" hunting ammo, gets real expensive and I find I can build my own for considerably less. Also, the bigger cases like 30-06 & .375 are awfully easy to handle and load, instead of messing with little stuff like the .223 Rem.

I've loaded an awful lot of rifle ammo over the years and thoroughly enjoy.

I load for my .204 varmint rifle, my .308 target rifle and several different hunting rifles. For me it's not an effort to crank out a bunch of rounds in a hurry, it's building quality ammo that does what I want. Yes, I load my rifle ammo on a single-stage press. Often even a little arbor press.

Here's the arbor press, the dies don't even screw into anything. Builds very nice, neck-sized ammo. A pleasure to use:


And here's the Lyman turret press which I had purchased for handgun ammo loading, but it turns out, the little rascal builds great rifle ammo too. I just use it as a single stage press, I don't try to turn it into a slow-progressive.


It's been very satisfying over the years, building ammo that helped me win, or at least do well in various rifle matches. Also very satisfying to take game with my own hand-crafted ammo, from my normal mule deer hunts, up through black bear, elk and even grizzly:

Recovered 260 gr Nosler Accubond from a black bear:


Recovered 200 gr Nosler Partition from a grizzly:


It gave me great pleasure to develop those 375 & 30-06 loads, sight them in with my hunting rifles, practice with them, and then use them to take game. That's something rewarding about loading rifle ammo, for me.

But I'm pretty much with you on bulk, "blasting" ammo for the .223, it's awfully nice just to pick up 500 or 1,000 factory rounds at a good price instead of handloading the stuff.

Regards, Guy
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Posted: April 27 2018 at 2:12pm | IP Logged Quote getsmart

I can't find 5.56 for much under $0.28/round at this point. That is why I began to load on the progressive.

I had some from pre-Obama that I found for $0.10/round, but that is almost gone.

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Posted: May 12 2018 at 7:05pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

Today was the first time in maybe a year that I lubed and sized some 30-06 A.I. brass, and I managed to get lube dents on my first five cases. I'm not new to handloading by any stretch, I was just a bit careless with my Imperial sizing wax...That and the length of time between loadings...

Oh well, the dents will shoot out....

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Posted: May 13 2018 at 12:05pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Nowadays I'm only loading .223Rem/5.56mm. I've sold all
others rifles with the exception of my beloved .357Mag
M92. Thus now, with essentially only one rifle round to
load, it's rather easy. Here's the drill.

Fired cases purchased get full length resizing. Primer
pockets reamed. Cases trimmed. Loaded with conventional
dies on a Lyman Spartan bench mounted press.

Fire formed from my AR15 gets deprimed, necksized,
flaired (slightly), primed, and loaded all with 50 year-
old Lyman 310 dies and tong tool.

The day there's a progressive press in this house means
I've died and some youngster has now moved in!

A trick I use now to lube cases for the press is simple.
Drop some cases in a plastic lunch bag. Put in a dab of
Lee case sizing lube. Seal and shake a bit. Take 'em out
and they're dry in minutes. Size and Then tumble to
clean. So simple it's goofy!
Dry lubes cases don't dent, buckle, or get slime all over
you, your dies, and bench.

I'll NEVER use spray on lube again. That stuff is a
disaster waiting to happen. And pads are messy and slow.

Edited by Old Ranger on May 13 2018 at 12:09pm


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Posted: May 14 2018 at 6:51pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

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The day there's a progressive press in this house
means I've died and some youngster has now moved in!


Drive up here to WV. I'm beginning a run of 45 ACP on my
Dillon. I could use a hand.

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Posted: May 15 2018 at 7:56am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

That's ok Lynn. I'll be loading 30 rounds of .223Rem
today with my 310. I'll be just fine.

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Posted: May 23 2018 at 12:24pm | IP Logged Quote MontanaWolf

Hey Ranger, you ever get jambs just neck sizing for your semi 223?

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