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Posted: April 20 2018 at 2:12pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Gracias!

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Posted: April 21 2018 at 6:01am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade

Thanks for the historical comment. There were some dimensional differences between the 1860 and the Model "P", the most notable being the shape of the grip frame. The only time Colt ever used the frame on the 1860 was on the 1860, with the SAA the grip frame was closer to the 1851.

The 1860 also had a rebated cylinder.





The lack of a carbine in that caliber was as you stated because of the softer cartridge metal combined with the results of black powder fowling.

The modern .45 Colt cases are as strong as anything else, the rims are still a bit small when compared with something like the .44 magnum. I have shot some pretty heavy stuff through my 94 Winchester .45 Colt, with out any rim failures.
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Posted: April 21 2018 at 6:52am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Many Colt Conversion models and Open Tops (mod 1872 late
model) had 1860 Army grips. And a few had the 1860 Army
grips, triggerguard, and backstrap added by gunsmiths of
the time to an 1873 SAA.

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Posted: April 22 2018 at 6:29am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

The 1860 Colt was the end of an era, it was the neatest and probably best balanced of any of the percussion guns, it was to revolvers of the time what the P51 Mustang was to piston aircraft.

I never owned an 1860 but a friend of mine lent me his for a year and I got to shoot that gun a lot. They just point well, my only complaint was that it shot very high. I came into a Ruger old Army about the time I returned the 1860.
My Remingtons all shoot point of aim, nothing is quite as "cool" the last Colt percussion gun.

My older brother had an original 1851 Colts and I saw him shoot pidgins off my dads barn roof with that gun, much to my father's dismay.
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Posted: April 23 2018 at 7:01pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Managed to hack off some more from my big plate-O-lead
today after shooting this morning. Cast several 454190's
with my now softer alloy. I enjoy this old Ideal single
cavity mould a bunch. It is seasoned and was obviously
well cared for by its previous owner. Thus it's ready to
go simply by heating on the rim of the pot as it warms
up. Cast 75 with only 3 rejects. I'm very fussy as others
might have accepted all. Yeah, this was a good move.
The Lee 255RNFP mould is beginning to show signs of wear.
Lee moulds in my world tend to have a short lifespan.


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Posted: April 24 2018 at 6:14am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade

I have been using my Lee 255 RNFP for 20 years, and it was used when I got it. It still makes good bullets.

I have another lee mold the 340 RNFP actually a .45-70 mold that is pushing 40 years of service.

There is a lot of talk about what you have to do to get good bullet from a Lee mold, I have found that if I spray a new mold with some "Sailkote" dry lubricant, heat the mold up while my lead is melting, that is all it takes, the bullets just drop out of the mold.

   
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Posted: April 24 2018 at 7:46am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Had that same 340gr .457" mould. Went through two in the
same number of years. The 452-255gr mould is beginning to
wear out after a year. Had a Lee 125gr RNFP in 38 that
cast wonderful bullets for 4 months then fell apart. Same
with the 158gr RNFP 38 mould. 6 months and it rattled
apart. They simply don't last. I lubes them. Pampered and
babied them according to their instructions. But they all
failed me in a year or so.

So I view Lee moulds as what we called in the service as
"XB3 Items"; Disposable. Use until it fails and dispose
of the item. My iron Ideal, Lyman, and RCBS moulds do not
fall apart. Some I have are pre-WWII and earlier. They
have been in service for decades with zero wear. So I
simply accept the fact that Lee moulds are disposable and
that soft aluminum won't hold up. Doesn't bother me
anymore. I used to venomously despise Lee moulds. Was
labeled as "A Lee Basher" by folks. I didn't mind 'em. I
knew iron was the best. I later came to realize that the
Lee stuff was simply XB3 Items and were going to fall
apart or become hopelessly worn out in a year or less.

So now you see why I was absolutely thrilled to find a
seasoned, super clean iron Ideal 454190 mould. Perfection
in two small iron blocks! Because I knew the Lee
moulds I'm using for my 45's are doomed for extinction.
My Ideal moulds will out live me as they have their
previous owners. My grandson can pass them on to who
follows him.

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Posted: April 24 2018 at 11:35am | IP Logged Quote dahlin

Seems like some people can break an anvil like john I have had my two 38 cal Lee molds for over twenty years and have cast lots of great bullets with no problems.Nothing wrong with Lee molds. Randy
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Posted: April 24 2018 at 1:01pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

dahlin


"Seems like some people can break an anvil..!"

I may see a pattern here.. :)

A lot of folks prefer the aluminum molds and a number of the companies that make custom molds offer them in Aluminum.
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Posted: April 24 2018 at 2:15pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

The .38 caliber Lee mould I started with worked good at first then the alignment pins wouldn't align the blocks anymore. It made nice bullets while it lasted.
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Posted: April 24 2018 at 2:38pm | IP Logged Quote dahlin

seriously ; I have a#358-158 and a 358-158gc and the only trouble I have had is the gas check can be a bear to get on straight some times. I do smoke each bullet chamber with a candle if they start releasing hard ,Most of my lead comes from the back stop on my range nothing special there. I feel my molds have paid for them selves many times and I enjoy making good bullets. Randy
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Posted: April 24 2018 at 4:07pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Never broke an anvil, however, I have smashed a few
faulty Lee moulds on one with a 10# sledgehammer!
Thrown a few Lee moulds far into the woods out of
frustration at their frailty and lack of substance.
So how do you explain why I have iron moulds for over 5
decades and they're just perfect? No signs of wear and
not a single one has ever failed. Answer me that one?

But now, I just simply accept that the material is
fragile and construction poor with Lee stuff. Now when
these Lees quit on me, I won't be without a mould for my
Colt 45s. I have a quality vintage Ideal mould of the
quintessential 45 Colt bullet. I'm just fine. And all the
other calibers I load are covered as well with quality
iron moulds. I'm doing fine here.

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Posted: April 24 2018 at 4:17pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I also have some of the Old Ranger's Ideal moulds, one in particular gets almost constant use.
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Posted: April 24 2018 at 4:29pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I have molds from Ideal, Lyman, RCBS, Hensley and Gibbs,
and Lee. They have all given me good service for
decades.

There are a lot of folks that get on well with Lee
molds, and that is why they sell so many of them.

They are economical, and I can afford to have several
different configurations of the same caliber, for a
fraction of the cost of some of the other choices.

I think that we all have to accept as a fact of life
that some folks tend to be harder on equipment than
others.

I have things that I have used for many years that my
youngest son can destroy in minutes.

I have always had good lick with Lee molds apparently
results may vary..

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Posted: April 25 2018 at 7:19am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Well now my tolerance for the Lee moulds has degraded
once again as a result of this thread. It began as a
discussion about the Ideal mould for my work with the 45
Colt and turned toward alleged abuse of aluminum.
Congratulations, I have re-emerged yet again a "Lee
Basher".

I once again trust only iron....

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Posted: April 25 2018 at 7:39am | IP Logged Quote dahlin

I guess in the end it does not matter who we use as long as it does the job and makes us happy to each his own. Randy
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dahlin

You are right, if everyone was happy with the same things we would all be driving black Ford's.

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Posted: April 25 2018 at 1:29pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Wade, I have to agree, I've gotten no love from my Lee either. That old iron Ideal U357446 is going strong though. Now the Lee push through sizer does get a workout. The sizer says .357 the Chinese mic says .3575.
Wish I had a .356, bet it would be just about perfect.
At any rate I won't knock another man's equipment. If his works for him and mine works for me, we are both happy.
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