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Posted: April 18 2018 at 10:18am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Next January I hit the 3/4 century mark. I have seen a lot of changes in gun regulations in that period of time.

There have been ups and downs, I fear that we are now at a point where the private ownership of firearms may be lost to us.

Several states have enacted or proposed regulations that ban certain types of firearms, semi automatics being at the top of the list, to include any semi automatic handguns, rifles or shotguns.

And when this does not achieve the desired goal, the next step will be pump long guns, lever actions, and revolvers. Then any hand guns, bolt action rifles and single shot shot guns. Followed by black powder guns.

The ultimate goal is to remove all of the fire arms from the civilian population.

The most recent move toward disarming us, is a result of the increase of mass shootings, the most inflammatory is of course those incidents involving schools.

I recently watched an interview given by Steven Segal, for those who do not know him, he is an actor, a life long martial arts practitioner and shooter.

He had some interesting comments about school shootings, one I thought might be rooted in fact is that perhaps they were engineered.

The other comment was that instead of disarming law abiding citizens, perhaps the same security measures that apply to airports should be used at schools. My daughter lives in Louisiana, the school her children attend have had metal detectors in place for some time, and armed security.

As usual the liberals, want to disarm everyone, the result of that is that it leaves the law abiding unarmed and easy prey for the criminal element.

I personally do not see a need to have a hight capacity assault rifle, but if we loose that right, we are on the down hill slope to loosing everything else.

It is the divide and conquer tactic, little steps chipping away at our constitutional rights. If we loose the 2nd amendment, the rest will follow.

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Posted: April 18 2018 at 12:21pm | IP Logged Quote dahlin

John I share your fear and have for quite some time. I think all gun owners should be in contact with there representatives other than our vote there isn't a whole lot more we can do oh yah join the NRA. Randy
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Posted: April 18 2018 at 12:46pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Randy

You are right. Not much more we can do as law abiding citizens. But there are those who will choose another path.
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Posted: April 18 2018 at 2:51pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

John:

Been a LEO for 30 years, and it seems like the liberals don't want to
disarm everyone. It seems that they only want to disarm good law
abiding citizens. Where are the protests and school walkouts in the
major cities where annual murder rates number in the hundreds?
These are the same areas were politicians champion diversionary
programs, instead of long prison sentences, keeping violent street
thugs preying on society.




Edited by John P. on April 18 2018 at 2:52pm
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Posted: April 18 2018 at 4:03pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I love my country. Fought and bled for it.
Now? I trust almost no one...
The liberals want you empty handed.
They want you dependant upon them.
They want sheep.

I am Lakota. I have seen the real government that takes
things from you without legal right. I trust it as much
as a coiled diamondback. When, yes, when the liberals
take over and plunge this country into the sewer I'll be
gone.


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Posted: April 19 2018 at 12:17am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Remember what happened at "Wounded Knee"
that was the highest casualty mass
shooting in U.S. history against unarmed
Innocents and it took place mere seconds
after successful confiscation of the guns
with only the final man putting up a
struggle that did not involve him shooting
his gun at the confiscators but merely
refusing to let go of it and them trying
to wrestle it out of his hands.

There are two reasons why we have had so
many bad school shootings:

1- Schools are almost entirely "gun free
zones" AKA places where the innocent are
unarmed for slaughter, the softest of the
soft belly targets.

2- Young males going through their
formative years left adrift on their own
in a hostile environment without guidances
during the stormiest and most turbulent
part of their upcoming. This is partially
an issue of fatherlessness, partially an
issue of few to no good mature mail roll
models, partially due to how God and/or
Nature has wired the young male brain and
body which is evident not only in our own
species buy many others, the current
persecution of society of the male
especially the young male for these traits
rather then direction and guidance towards
constructive ends of this energy rather
then towards degeneration into anti-social
and a-moral ends, and finally the lack the
Western culture has of a "Right of Passage
of Manhood" a serious fault that was noted
by many Western writers such as Adam Smith
writer of The Wealth of Nations going back
in our Western culture for over 300 years
at least and in a lesser form going back
to the fall of the Roman Empire.

Even in what many I believe in at least
some ways consider lesser primitive
cultures they have been able to direct and
control the potentially destructive
energies of their young males, even with a
high rate of fatherlessness, through a
strong "Right of Passage of Manhood" in
their culture, something our Western
culture could have learned from many of
the Native cultures they clashed with when
they conquered the Americas.

No, I'm not trying to stir up old hatreds
and wrongs on both sides of previous
generations and "pick at the scab".

Mearly pointing out lessons that should be
learned from history or history will
repeat itself (the flow of the time line
will always rhyme and follow a meter and
rythem, we however can make choices and
take actions to avoid direct repetition).
We also need to learn how incredibly
influential and important culture is, and
yes in general on the total based on the
results of r generations of evidence some
cultures are superior in results and some
are inferior in results. Results being
the general progress of life, liberty,
justice, equity, and the happiness of the
greater body of the generations who have
practiced a particular culture. But those
within a culture can change the culture,
as evidenced by history. And almost all
cultures have at least some elements which
provide it an advantage and are worthy of
the emulation of other cultures and some
elements which are a considerable to put
it nicely detriment.

In our Western culture not just now in
it's present state of decay but in long
standing for hundreds of years and dozens
of generations how our young males are
generally left to stumble their way
through from boyhood to manhood is a
serious flaw that has caused serious
issues for a very long time, not just now.

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What part of, "the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be INFRINGED" don't you understand ?!?!?

To the most serious charge of "ARMING WOMEN" I plead guilty on multiple counts.
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Posted: April 19 2018 at 4:07am | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Keep praying Trump gets at least one more Supreme Court justice appointed before he's out of office. We were awfully close to the edge and still are.

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Posted: April 19 2018 at 6:55am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

That twisted punk kid and his sister now got a book deal.
Standing on the corpses of the dead, this sick leftwing
"advocate" is going to get rich at the expense of his
schoolmates. Who the he'll is he to dictate terms to this
country? Oh, but he has. Look around you. Dick's Sporting
Goods destroying firearms they ban from sale? Wells Fargo
held hostage by a teachers union for the NRA having an
account with them? Another bank cancelled accounts with
gun makers.

These sick bastards are not only attacking in the press
but in the financial world as well. Oh, its all out war
on the arms industry, but also taking control of the
media and then this country. You tell a lie often enough,
and it will become the truth. It may not be the actual
truth, but it's what the populous believes to be true.
And mark my words, they're going to win because this
country has already become sheep. The conservative
American is now an endangered species and we are being
devoured by the libertarian lunatics!

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Posted: April 19 2018 at 8:42am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Old Ranger wrote:
. . .

American is now an endangered species and
we are being devoured by the libertarian
lunatics!



Slight correction concerning correct
terminalogy:

Libertarian = "Every individual has the
right to do whatever they want so long as
they don't infringe on the rights of
innocent others in exercising their
rights"

Progressive = "For the greater good of
progressing the human condition towards a
better future the rights of individuals
must be sacrificed as need be to obtain an
ultimate greater good of a future utopian
society we are trying to build together."


I think you meant "progressive lunatics",
although true libertarians can be a little
out there sometimes and some can consider
them overly permissive they are pretty
much allies rather then foes of our 2nd
and other rights.

Edited by turbo1889 on April 19 2018 at 8:46am


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Posted: April 19 2018 at 10:42am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

English is not my primary language.
And my smarty pants phone has auto-correct.
Communication from here is often spotty.

Never said progressive.....

But I DID mean filthy lowlife leftwing $h*t-heads that
are taking this country over and flushing it down the
psycho world toilet turning it into garbage!

David Hogg is a vile minion from hell, and his followers
are foolishly simpletons with the brains of a treefrog
and the morals of Satan's own sons & daughters!

Was that better?

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Posted: April 19 2018 at 2:03pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

"Our forefathers did not politely protest the British.They did not vote
them out of office, nor did they impeach the king,march on the capitol
or ask permission for their rights. ----------------They just shot them.
MOLON LABE"

My tag line on another site. How soon we forget history, mainly
because kids are no longer taught history as it was nor do they teach
civics.. I asked one of my Grand daughters who recently graduated
from high school if they still taught civics or whatever they chose to call
it. Blank look and, "What's that?" Maybe they cal it something else?
Maybe American Government or some such? Nope.
A close friend sadly said to me when Obama won the first time around,
"I fear the communists have won." I thought he was right then and I'm
positive he was right. These days days they're so damn blatant even a
blind man can see it. I'm glad I won't be around much longer.
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Posted: April 19 2018 at 8:36pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Old Ranger wrote:
English is not my
primary language.
And my smarty pants phone has auto-
correct.
Communication from here is often spotty.


My phone has the same darn problem so I
totally understand that issue.

Quote:
Never said progressive.....


Well then, consider it to be my own
addition from yours truly turbo1889,
"Utopian Authoritarians" is my personal
most accurate description of such scum
that I really get me hot under the coller.

Quote:
But I DID mean filthy lowlife
leftwing $h*t-heads that
are taking this country over and flushing
it down the
psycho world toilet turning it into
garbage!

David Hogg is a vile minion from hell, and
his followers
are foolishly simpletons with the brains
of a treefrog
and the morals of Satan's own sons &
daughters!

Was that better?


Much Better !!! Main reason I felt
compelled to clarify the difference
between "Libertarian" vs.
"Leftist/Progressive/Utopian-
Authoritarians/etc. . ." is because I
share a bed with a Libertarian and
although we argue points from opposite
sides like drug probition and such we are
both pretty compatible on things like the
2nd and other natural rights.

Edited by turbo1889 on April 19 2018 at 8:38pm


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Posted: April 20 2018 at 6:29am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Ya know, I typed a big response but deleated it.
Yes, I am as politically incorrect as they come, yet I
believe I need to keep my mouth shut now. I'm going to
bow out of this discussion.

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Posted: April 20 2018 at 7:06am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Any gun bans will be directed squarely at the law abiding citizen. They will come for your guns first because you obeyed the law, filled out all of the required paper work, had your back ground check and submitted a finger print.

The people they are trying to keep the guns away from have done none of those things, have no paper trail leading back to their guns and will be the last to be disarmed.

After 911 which still leaves some questions in my mind. They manufactured another federal police force, Homeland Security, just what we need more federal police. A lot of that reminded me of what happened in Germany back in the 30s. I have been a strong proponent of disbanding that agency, but I have a better idea, put them in charge of the schools, and maybe they would earn their salaries.

The comment about sheep, is more than a little valid. In my nearly 75 years, almost half of that was my involvement with the criminal justice system, it appears to me the over all goal is to herd us all together and disarm us. The sheep are a real cash crop, we pay to feed the monster that big government has become. It seems every year we pay more and more into our taxes and get less and less back.

As far as these shooting incidents being engineered, it is possible, there are those that believe in two principals.

1) The end justifies the means..

2) The nebulous statement.. "for the greater good"

If you want to keep your rights then you have to be willing to stand up for them, there is no one harder to defeat than the man who is protecting his home and family, even against great odds. Case in point, the few lads at the pass of Thermopile, the farmers in New England, the farmers in the rice paddies of SE Asia.

I think that things may get "ugly", because these days a lot of the sheep have sharp teeth.     
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