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turbo1889
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Posted: May 01 2018 at 5:43pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

John Van Gelder wrote:
The Zulus were
hard men. They had a definite military
structure, they trained often, and had
remarkable discipline. Out for a day hike
they would run 75 miles, turn around and
run back.

There were two battles of note, the one at
Rourks Drift and the one at Iswanda, (the
spelling is probably off there). The
battle at Iswand, was a total defeat for
the British. The commander should have
been court marshaled, because he went
against specific directives from the
queen, admonishing him not to get into a
conflict with the native peoples, which he
completely ignored.

The battle a Rourks Drift, went much
better for the English, I think that they
had a more defensible position.

As far as the Little Big Horn, Custer was
a victim of hubris. The native people had
better fire arms, there were more of them
and they were defending their way of life.

A rule of warfare, the side that can put
the most bits of metal into the air wins.



I think it would be more correct to say
that as a rule of warfare, the side that
can make the most hits wins, and part of
that is indeed volume of fire, as is
accuracy, as is any fortifications, cover,
or concealment each side may have and
tactics play in as well.

As to disobeying orders and hubris, in all
three cases the puffed up knuckle head
leader lead his side into a loosing
battle. The first battle between the
British and Zulu the British commander did
indeed disobey orders and seek unnecessary
conflict with the natives who he
underestimated and was overconfident and
suffured a devastating defeat.

But the Zulu prince who led their army in
the field was also under strict orders
from his Father the Zulu king to only
drive the invading British from Zulu lands
and was under strict orders not to presue
further and or make raids which his father
knew would only result in creating an
extended full scale conflict with the
British that over years could result in
the ultimate downfall of the Zulu kingdom.

The prince disobeyed his father after
winning the first battle resulting in not
only the second battle which was faught to
a draw but a strategic loss taking heavy
casualties trying to take an improvised
fortified position along with sending out
smaller raiding parties which were mainly
successful attacking unprotected primarily
civilian targets. History shows the
results were ultimately what his father
the Zulu king feared.

And of course we all know what an idiot
Custer was at The Little Big Horn.

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Posted: May 02 2018 at 6:34am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

turbo1889

I saw a neat documentary, about the Zulu wars. The great grand children of one of the British soldiers and one of the Zulu warriors walker over the battle field and talked about the conflict. Pretty interesting.

And you are right putting a lot of resources into play does not necessarily mean victory. Having the field commanders second guessed by politicians in Washington, is a good way to loose a war.
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Posted: May 02 2018 at 10:16am | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Two movies, Zulu covers Rourke's Drift and Zulu Dawn covers Islwanda.
Zulu Dawn did a good job of covering the British's somewhat arrogant
over confidence and their final comeuppance. I used to have both
movies on tape. I do wish I could find them on DVD.
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Posted: May 02 2018 at 10:54am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Did you look on Amazon, they have a lot of old movies..
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I know I have a VHS copy of Zulu around. It's a popular enough movie that I'm sure it's available on DVD.

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