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Posted: April 23 2018 at 8:36am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Like Wade, I fight a little barrel leading but that is getting better with powder and bullet selection.
I would like to have one fairly stiff load and one really soft load, the latter for everyday use.
My 686-4 4" seems to shoot the best with 14 grains 2400 and the 357446 bullet followed closely by the 358156 G.C. bullet. I don't know if that load actually is better or if it makes me pay more attention to the sights and trigger but it works for me.
I haven't had much luck finding a lighter load that shoots near as well. I know it is advertised that the 686 is stout enough to shoot a .357 load full time but it seems to me that is would be better on the revolver to use smaller loads most of the time instead.
I'd appreciate your opinion on using the heavier load full time. I also know that 14 grains of 2400 isn't the top load listed.
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Posted: April 23 2018 at 9:52am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rex, two old time favorites from the Ideal handbook #40
(1955) listed in that section are as follows:

357Mag

Bullet 357446
Powder Unique
Weight 6.0gr.

38Spl

Bullet 357446
Powder Unique
Weight 5.5gr

Bullet 357446
Powder Bullseye
Weight 2.8gr

All three are boo-coo accurate and I've loaded them a
bunch. The 6gr load in the mag case is smooth and hit
around 1150fps~1200fps [or close] and leaves little lead
with my trash alloy. The 5.5gr in the Spl case is a
popper! Close to a grand in speed and is a +P load. Tight
though. And the light Bullseye load is a good one
for paper punching when you want one hole from five
shots! but it's light...

I shoot the 6gr mag load in my M92 levergun with Annie
Oakley style results! Its so accurate I almost don't have
to aim!

Edited by Old Ranger on April 23 2018 at 9:56am


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Posted: April 23 2018 at 10:10am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Thanks Wade. I'm going to try that Bullseye load. It will be used most to play around with and stick out the pickup window and pop a occasional rattle snake in the road.
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Posted: April 23 2018 at 12:02pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

I like #358477 over 5.0 gr. of Unique for my plinking load in the .357
Mag. It's also a good bullet over 14.0 gr. of A2400. It's a 150 gr. bullet
that IIRC was designed by Phil Sharpe for the .357 Mag. over
something like 15.5 gr. of H2400.
FWIW, that bullet over 5.0 gr. of Unique in .38 Spl. brass is very
accurate in my S&W M60 snubby and will stay inside 2.5" from an
S&W 38/44 Outdoorsman.
Frankly, I much prefer the #358156 in the .357 nut 477 works just fine.
For spits and grins, try 356402 in the .38 Spl. sometime. My mold
casts it out at .359" and it shoots quite well in the .38. I should give it a
try in the .357 but most production is to feed my 9MM where I size it
out at .358".
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Posted: April 23 2018 at 4:00pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Rex,
The old master gunsmithing I apprenticed under for four
years had an early production Python in 6". He would
shoot my 2.8gr load and swore by its accuracy. While
testing a couple repairs I did while he observed, I saw
the old Python out of the case. When done I got "the nod"
meaning I did good. Old Earl smiled "Ok kid, step aside."
and he eased up to the bench and loaded 5. He stood
turned from the target, one arm extended, left hand in
his pocket. He devoured the X and 10 ring with a big
ragged hole that did take out much of the X. Earl looked
at me and said "Shut your mouth Wade, ya look stupid." I
then realized my jaw had dropped. Then I got
a wink and "Nice loading as always. You build a hell-of-a
round. Make me 200 more when ya can. And don't tell my
idiot son you loaded me anything. He'll sneak in the shop
and run off with 'em! The only thing he ever loaded was
his diapers!"
That was one of two compliments he ever gave me. And a
great joke about his son.

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Posted: April 23 2018 at 4:59pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Wade, you were right........again! I got home from town in time to grab a handful of 2.8 Bullseye loads and run over the hill. Put up my 6x6 swind plate at a measured 24 yards. Now I didn't stand up on my hind legs and shoot like a man because I wanted to test the load, not me. Laid both forearms on the pickup hood and had to fight the sun and a slight angle to the target face.
I've never shot a group like that before and you ain't the only one who can load the left side of the target with dings.
This load should be just right for my daily dose of grip, hold sight picture and squeeze trigger.
And when I run out of Bullseye, the internet says around 3 grains of HP38 will do the same thing and I've got a lot of that. I believe that load will penetrate 3/4 inch of snake just fine.
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Posted: April 23 2018 at 6:04pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Bueno!
Glad ya like it.

3.1gr HP38/W231 would indeed be a suitable sub for 2.8
Bullseye.
And 3.7gr W231 with the 357446 bullet is a tad under a
factory 38 158gr old school lead load, and another good
shooter.

Yeah, we might pull a mite left but we both can get that
Minute Of Snake!

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Yeah, we might pull a mite left but we both can get that
Minute Of Snake! [/QUOTE]


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