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Posted: May 26 2018 at 9:05pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

Favorite heavy .45 Colt load is a 45-270-SAA and 18.5 grains of 2400
in my Bisley Blackhawk. Published Brian Pearce data for this bullet and
2400 are a bit warmer, but I have no need to push the envelope. My
standard load is a 250 gr. RNFP and 9 grains of Unique.

I picked up a Redhawk .45 ACP/.45 Colt a couple of weeks ago. This
revolver has the potential to become one of my favorite pack'n
revolvers. So far I only shot it with .45 ACP. I plan work up some cast
.45 ACP loads for it. I'd like a 250 grain bullet at about 900-950 fps to
essentially duplicate the original .45 Colt BP load. Why not use .45 Colt
brass? Because I have a lot of .45 ACP brass, and I can achieve the
same results with less powder. I have found some old .45 AR data with
Unique that should work.

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Posted: May 27 2018 at 5:15am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Dave

Black powder is getting hard to find. Goex was all I could find last time I bought in Bulk.

A life long friend of mine loads a lot of .45 Colt with black powder, his loads are stout.

Back when I started shooting BP, I had a copy of a Remington .36. I could buy a can of Dupont FFF, 10 pounds of lead and a can of caps for less than .22LRHPs.

John

I have done quite a bit with my Blackhawk convertible, the load you mentioned, 250 gr., at 950 fps. is pretty easy to achieve and I think 6.5 grn of Unique should work.

I have some .45 round ball (140 gr.) loads, the balls are tumble lubed seated in ACP cases over 3.5 grn. of Hodgdons Clays. They make great plinking/ small game loads. I shoot them in either my ACP cylinder or one of my auto pistols they do not function the action of an auto, but that makes finding the brass a lot easier, when hunting small game.

Just for fun I upped the charge with the round ball, and at 5 grn of Clays, those loads will work the action on my Ruger American .45ACP, and they feed nicely.   
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Mistake posting. Disregard.

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Posted: May 27 2018 at 10:12am | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

I had an Encore pistol in .454 once. It had a really nice
Burris scope on it and was very accurate with 300 gr cast
bullets. It also kicked worse than the proverbial mule. I
never even shot up all of my loaded rounds for it, just
found someone who would buy it.

I had it at the range one day and a young man was
interested in it. He'd never seen a pistol with a scope on
it before. I didn't have any .454 loads with me, but did
have some "Ruger Only" .45 Colt loads that I was shooting.
He asked if he could shoot it, and I said sure I put a
round in the chamber after the fellow got settled down
behind the rest I was using, and I saw that he was having
trouble. He wanted to put the scope close to his eye, and
couldn't see because the eye relief wasn't 3 inches... I
told him to hold the pistol at arms length and then he
would see through the scope with no problem. He said
"O.K." and proceeded to hold it close to his eye like it
was a rifle scope. Before I could stop him he fired the
round, and immediately handed the pistol back. I gave him
my bandanna to stop the bleeding from his eyebrow and
cleaned the meat and blood from my scope. Neither he nor
his dad wanted to shoot it again...

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Posted: May 27 2018 at 6:51pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

John:

Thanks for the information. I plan to start with 6 grains of Unique and
work up. I read that Skeeter Skelton worked up to 7.5 of Unique in .45
AR cases, but he also damaged a 1917 S&W or two in the process.
Again, I have no need to push the envelope. If I achieve 900-950 fps,
with no signs of over pressure, I will be happy. Those round ball loads
sound interesting too.

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Posted: May 28 2018 at 5:04am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Tom

Doesn't have to be something with a lot of recoil, my grand son managed to acquire a "smile" on his eyebrow, when trying to get too close to the scope on my .177 spring air rifle.

John

I chronographed some of my round ball loads, out of my Blackhawk, with two grains of Hodgdon clays and the ball seated flush with the mouth of the ACP case, my average velocity was 450 fps. Air pistol velocity..
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Posted: May 28 2018 at 2:16pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

Old Ranger wrote:
Mistake posting. Disregard.


For a mistake post, you were absolutely correct. I wanted to comment,
but there was nothing to add. Please keep the “Uncle Leo” stories
coming, it is like reading Sixguns; never gets old.
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Posted: May 28 2018 at 2:23pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

John:

Have you ever used W231/HP38 for those round ball loads?
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Posted: May 29 2018 at 5:29am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I have quite a bit of Clays, I never tried any 231, I use that primarily in the 9mm.

I have thought about pushing the round balls a bit faster
in the ACP. With a 155 grn bullet you get to 1200 fps without getting into over pressure in the auto. The 140 grn RB should be good for 1300. With as little surface area to contact the rifling, I suspect that accuracy would be right in the "toilet".   
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Posted: May 29 2018 at 3:33pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

W231 becomes unstable in lighter than normal loads. You
risk detonation issues. Bullseye or TiteGroup would serve
better for round ball squib loads. Just sayin'.

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Posted: May 29 2018 at 7:31pm | IP Logged Quote John P.

Old Ranger wrote:
W231 becomes unstable in lighter than normal
loads. You
risk detonation issues. Bullseye or TiteGroup would serve
better for round ball squib loads. Just sayin'.


^^^ Exactly the good safe advice I was referring too!
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Posted: May 30 2018 at 5:11am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Any of the flake shotgun powders, like Clays, Red Dot, 700X and Unique are better choices for reduced loads.

My favorite for reduced loads in rifle cases is Trail Boss.
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Posted: June 04 2018 at 6:03am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

For packing out on the trail, the standard loading for the .45 Colt is hard to beat. That same load can be pretty well duplicated in the .45ACP.

The folks at Buffalo Bore, sell a .45ACP loading with a RNFP 255 grn bullet. Actual vellocities in a 5" 1911 are in the 950+ range, a bit above standard .45 Colt loads.



There are some real advantages in carrying the auto as a trail gun.
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Posted: June 04 2018 at 7:38am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I trained and carried the 1911 and latter the M-9 but there
is just something about the first one you are issued that
makes ya more familiar and comfortable with it.
I use a basic G.I. style R-1 ......nothing fancy . Nothing
wrong with any of the others but this is the pistol I
know.....

But still basically I am a revolver nut .....
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The M9/92F is as worthless as my 2nd ex-wife's moronic
son! Besides, it ain't no 45 and ought not be spoken of
in the presence of REAL guns like my 1911A1!

Carry on. Smoke if ya got 'em.

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Old Ranger wrote:
The M9/92F is as worthless as my 2nd
ex-wife's moronic
son! Besides, it ain't no 45 and ought not be spoken of
in the presence of REAL guns like my 1911A1!

Carry on. Smoke if ya got 'em.


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Posted: June 04 2018 at 10:25am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

My most recent .45ACP is a Ruger American. A lot of engineering went into that gun, it is a totally modular design. It weighs less fully loaded, than a 1911 does empty.

A good shooter, and will probably out last a steel frame gun. I have put about any sort of alloy through that gun, and as long as the loads are hot enough to burn all of the powder, it is hard to tell if it has been shot. They really polished the barrels on those guns.

I shoot round balls, I have a 200 grn RNFP bullet, that works well, and a 230 TC bullet that I am quite partial to.
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 11:07am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I just came up with a new load for the .45 Colt. I have had the Lee 200 grain RNFP bullet for some time and have been using it primarily in the .45ACP. I finally got around to "squeezing" some of those bullets into .45 Colt cases.

I loaded them over 5 grains of Hodgdons Clays, which I have a lot of. In my 5.5" Redhawk, they are just over 800 fps. Initial results are very favorable, they shoot to point of aim, my gun is regulated for 255s. Accuracy is very good, the cases come out a bit dirty, pressures are quite low.

Negligible recoil, and only a little powder fouling in the barrel.

Less lead, less powder..= more shooting..:)
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Old Ranger wrote:
The M9/92F is as worthless as my 2nd ex-wife's
moronic
son! Besides, it ain't no 45 and ought not be spoken of
in the presence of REAL guns like my 1911A1!

Carry on. Smoke if ya got 'em.


I don't have a 1st or 2nd X-wife (still with the first one) but my reaction to
the M9/92 is the same as Old Ranger's.

When I ran my firearms training business I had several young women who
were going into the military who borrowed (or bought in one case) B-92s
and asked me to train them to shoot it. Because of the large grip not a
single one of them could properly reach the DA trigger for the first shot. If
they modified their grip so they could reach the DA trigger for #1 they had
an entirely improper grip for the 2nd shot in SA model (this same problem
applied to a lot of men too).

Combine that with the silly millimeter cartridge and the M9 has to be the
worst handgun adopted by our military since the failure of the Colt Model
1892 and its 38 Long Colt cartridge.

Dave

PS: I am skeptical about the SIG, but it's probably an improvement over the
M-9.

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"PS: I am skeptical about the SIG, but it's probably an improvement
over the M-9."

I have a SIG P-220 in .45 ACP and you need the hand of a gorilla. The
grip is way too large and only using a 7 round magazine. With that said,
in single action mode it is one of the most accurate handguns I own
and comes close to beating my custom 1911 when it comes to
accuracy.
My other complaints about the P220 is no safety and it ejects the fired
brass about 50 to 60 feet away. It does it even with my lighter target
loads. If SIG maintains the quality control of the new pistol then it'll
probably be OK. My favorite 9MM is the S&W 6906, a stainless smaller
version of the M59. Eleven in the mag and one up the spout and it will
take the 15 round mags of the 59. Now if I can only find a few.
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