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Posted: June 09 2018 at 2:41pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yeah, for years I used the same powders [3 or 4 tops for
10 different calibers] then I joined this forum and
everyone was using a multitude of powders and I got
caught up in the frenzy. It's easy to do too! A few years
have passed and I realized I had gone outta control. Bad
juju.
I'm returning to normalcy.

Any powders with a small amount of powder in the can will
be lit up for "fiz-fun" on an anthill." Full cans I don't
require will go to Drunk Neighbor or my grandson. Let
them go wild with 'em.
I seriously only require 3 smokeless powders. APP & BP
are separated from that newfangled stuff!
I remember vividly when I was learning to load. One load.
One bullet. One powder. Simple. Easy. Direct. I liked
that. No YouTube nonsense. No data searching all day with
10 manufacturers and 25 websites. Just one bullet. One
powder. One load. So simple and repeatable. Yeah, I'm
done with the "flavor of the month" loads.

The '79 S&W M28 will be in my hands in a couple months.
You can bet your bippy it's gonna have one load too.

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Posted: June 09 2018 at 8:00pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

My favorite .357 powders are Unique, Blue Dot and 2400 but I also use HS6 and Power Pistol. I've been mostly avoiding the new powder craze with the exception of Hodgdon CFE Pistol and Alliant BE86. Both of these are outstanding in .45 ACP but I still use 231 for range loads.

Still got a couple pounds of 296 left but I rarely use much of it anymore. Just don't have much desire to run anything at full throttle lately.

Randy

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Posted: June 10 2018 at 5:23am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

My favorite powder is whatever I can find locally. If it burns and will push the bullet down the barrel, good enough.

I do find myself studying the manuals looking for the best velocity with the lowest pressure.


the N frame Smiths and the old large frame Rugers will take about any .357 load you can think of.

I found a load in one of my very old manuals that listed a load of 9 gr. of Unique and a 160 gr. cast bullet. Not a load I was interested in trying

I do have a box of loads I made up a couple of years ago with 162 gr. SWCs over 8 gr. of Unique. Those chronographed out to and average of 1220 fps in my 3" GP100, I gave that gun to my youngest son, and got the 4" I have now, there was almost no appreciable increase in velocity of the above load in the longer barrel.

The N frame guns are pretty stout the K frames are more pleasant to carry, the L frame/GP 100s are the best of both worlds..

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Posted: June 10 2018 at 8:37am | IP Logged Quote RT58

I've carried K,L and N frames, and a Ruger Security Six.

I liked the K frames because they are lighter, which is better for fast draw. The L frames and Rugers are fine for people that like handguns that have a barrel heavy balance, but I'm not one of those people. Had the L frame been made in a larger caliber and dropped the full lug barrel, they might have had something, but S&W was trying to copy the Security Six and Python to get more money.

A 4" L and N frame are very close in weight and it made no difference to me to dump the L and carry an N in favor of the lighter barrel. Then I decided that if I'm going to carry an N frame, I'd rather have a larger caliber and swapped the model 28 for a 57 and eventually settled for a 3" 657. I do have some 3" and 4" .44s but there isn't enough difference between the .41's and .44's to even care which one you have for a duty gun.
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Posted: June 10 2018 at 1:47pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Randy, you just mentioned nine different powders three
posts back. You're kinda in the same rut as the rest of
us. Too many powders huh?
We need to go on a powder diet!

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Posted: June 10 2018 at 2:20pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Old Ranger wrote:
Randy, you just mentioned nine different powders three
posts back. You're kinda in the same rut as the rest of
us. Too many powders huh?
We need to go on a powder diet!


Wade...guilty as charged! And I admit to leaving out H4227 and Trail Boss. Still short of your total of 15 though.

Randy

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Posted: June 10 2018 at 4:17pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup, I went totally nuts there huh?

Today I dumped 5 cans that had just a few oz. in em on
some anthills and lit em up! Bad bug bonfire! That was
fun.
Gave four different powders to Drunk Neighbor. He was
tickled to death. I thought he was gonna wet his
britches!
Set aside two rifle powders for grandson.

That leaves 4 smokeless powders, black powder, and APP
[BP sub] in my old 1879 footlocker. Just about reached
my goal. And I got 'em all in the footlocker now. No more
spilling over and boxes of never to use powder. What a
feeling. Think I'll clean the latrine! Now that's being
cranked up!

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Posted: June 10 2018 at 8:45pm | IP Logged Quote doghawg

Wade

Cleaning the latrine is okay but spit-shined boots and polishing belt buckles is definitely over the edge.. besides...it's probably not easy to see a belt buckle on many of us anyway.

Randy

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Posted: June 11 2018 at 12:05am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Drop and give me twenty Twinkletoes!

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Posted: June 11 2018 at 2:03am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

"I do find myself studying the manuals looking for the
best velocity with the lowest pressure. "

John Van Gelder

Yes !!!

Recently upgraded a Model 19 (bought as a knockabout)
with a model 28-2 ..... I am a happy camper .......
I do own the worlds ugliest 357 .....a security six
too..... purchased for my daughter to rescue a Model 66
before ex hubby stole it and took it to the pawn shop (to
late)......

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Posted: June 11 2018 at 5:08am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Nothing wrong with have a lot of different powders, if you load for a number of calibers it is inevitable, just changing bullet weights in the same caliber, will indicate the use of a different powder for better results.

You can use Unique for almost anything, but it wont give you the best velocity, accuracy and lowest pressure as some other powder.

If you have a light frame .357 such as a mod 19, and are only interested in shooting cast 158 grn SWC bullets.

Using the .38-44 load data is the way to go, then the 6 gr., loading of Unique is probably the best answer.

   

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Posted: June 11 2018 at 11:28am | IP Logged Quote Dave T

I gave up on the 357 Magnum about 10 years ago in favor of its grand pa,
the 38-44. To duplicate the original load of 1125 fps with a 158g bullet I
load 11.5g of 2400 behind a 158g Berry's plated flat-point. It gives me
~1125 fps in a 4" S&W Heavy Duty and 1141 fps from a 5" HD.

I have several pounds of 2400 left from a 4# jug and an 8# jug in reserve,
so I'm not inclined to do much experimenting with new powders.

The other smokeless powder I have in good supply (~10 pounds) is WW
231.

As busted up as I am and as restrictive that is to my shooting, I've got a
lifetime of powder on hand...and some I'll have to give away before I get
buried.

Dave

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Posted: June 11 2018 at 12:50pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Alcan 8 and 121 gr cast bullet... RCBS BULLET MOLD 9MM-
124-CN 402 ....... We called em the ricochet spl in 9mm but
in 357 they were something else......
Was originally listed for 124 gr round nose back in the
70's.......

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Posted: June 12 2018 at 6:41am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

REM1875

Back when I was in the service, having a tour as an instructor at the submarine base in Connecticut, one of my shipmates that was there at the same time, was also an avid reloader. He used the same bullet in his Colt Python, at something above maximum, made out of nearly pure lead, salvaged WWII submarine ballast lead. Those loads would anchor a woodchuck right on the spot, and any one who has hunted "whistle pigs" knows they can be a bit tenacious.



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Posted: June 12 2018 at 10:23am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Are we still tryin' to figure out how to load a .357?


I'm gonna be like Rex and just have ONE.
That's all ya need anyway, right?
One pistol. One rifle. Same cartridge. Gosh that takes a
load off my back already!
Now that's an Easy Button right there if I ever saw one!


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Posted: June 12 2018 at 11:36am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade

Not sure if you are trying to convince us or yourself..

The "chief" adheres to the "one" principle, that being at least one of everything.
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Posted: June 12 2018 at 1:30pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

I had a detailed reply, but deleated it.

Tell ya what Rather than attempt to be understood, as
something's obviously missing in the translation, I'll
just walk away from this. Thinking in English too long
gives me a headache.

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Kinda like aluminum molds..:)
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Posted: June 12 2018 at 6:47pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

John
Almost all my current lead came out of McAfee Army medical
center at White Sands NM or a Navy X-ray room I forget
where .......the keen eye of a cheap scavenger .........
Did you know physical therapy used lead shot in those
weighted tube bandages they had patients work out with ???

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Big fan of Unique in damned near anything I can stuff it in
from 32 ACP to Rifle rounds with cast bullets .......Just
can't help my damned self....... I bought other powders to
break me of this bad habit ......
So yes DEWC 158? powered by Unique in 38 SPL .....a damned
boring round that causes ya to have to walk out and set up
new targets way too often.......
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