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Posted: June 07 2018 at 4:17pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Joe, I've grown fond of 2400 also.

Wade, If I ever get back down to Texas I'm going to bring you some 2400.
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Posted: June 07 2018 at 10:36pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Doin ok here Rex. Got an 1879 footlocker filled with
powder and a hefty sized cardboard box overflowing with
more powder. Shucks, there's even a 3/4 full 8 pounder of
Unique under my bunk! All's well in Ranger Country.
But I'm still gonna start hoarding 4 different powders
though and burn the rest up with "goof around loads"



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If it weren't for 2400 I don't know what I'd use in .357 and .44.   
One of the first powders I tried in .357 was Blue Dot.   It was a
good one but always left unburnt powder so I quit using it.   Since
switching to 2400 I haven't had any problems with it and it burns
clean for me.

Because of my love of the S&W K frames I probably use more
Unique then 2400 as I reserve the high powered loads for the
model 28 and limit the K frames to mid level loads.    

I haven't found 2400 hard to find in my area and usually have at
least 2 lbs on hand.



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Posted: June 08 2018 at 5:49am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Rex

I use standard primers with my Lil" Gun loads. Hodgdon lists their upper end load with a 158 grn jacketed bullet at 1500+ fps and 25,800 CUP. (in a 10" test barrel)

Much better velocity with less pressure than the older powders. Through my chronograph, with my 4" GP100, I am still well into the 1400 fps range.

I have a number of N frame S&Ws, .44 & .357, but the L frame is a better choice for regular carry, plenty strong enough for any .357 magnum loading, well balanced and just a great field gun.   
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John, Lil" Gun is probably one of the powders I would try if I couldn't
find 2400.    That powder is hard to find in my area yet 2400 is not,
go figure.

I did own one L frame, a 686+ with 2" barrel.    More sturdy then the
K frame but the K frame is my favorite.   For some reason no revolver
fits my hand like a K frame.   Ended up selling the L only because I'd
rather had a 4".

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Posted: June 08 2018 at 10:54am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I carried the "K" frame as a duty gun for several years, and used it for my own "needs" when off duty. Probably the load that I have used the most in any of my .357 guns. Is either a 158 gr. SWC or the 170 gr. Keith bullet over 7 grains of Unique.

I shot a lot of those loads through my mod 19, when I was in Alaska.

No doubt the K frame guns are very nice to shoot. I got a commemorative 19 when I retired. I probably should have kept it unfired in the presentation S&W case..but...

It is a very nice shooter, and I use it only occasionally with reduced .357 loads.

S&W re-engineered the Mod 19 ands it is back in the catalog, which I feel is a very good thing.   
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 12:09pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

My worst shooting problem is concentration. I probably need to see the eye Dr. as I have to squint and squirm to get the front sight to clear up. I'm not young anymore and much of this poops me out and concentration erodes quickly. I actually shoot a heavy load better than a lite one as I believe it makes me concentrate a little harder. Loading the cylinder one round at a time between shots helps also.
John, I'm going to load some of those loads you speak of above and try them.
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Rex, I had pretty much the same vision problems.   Used to wear
reading glasses to see the sights and the target was somewhat
blurry.

This winter I had cataracts taken care of and can see again.

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I put on my 1.5 dime store reading glasses and see the sight clear but I don't shoot the best even then. Do better squinting.
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Posted: June 08 2018 at 8:11pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Dad gave me about a five pound drum of old Alcan #10, burns somewhere between Herco and Blue Dot. There's quite a bit of data for it in several of my old Lyman manuals and it looks like good stuff for moderately heavy loads in the .357, .44 Magnum and .45 Colt. I plan to get busy figuring out a healthy cast bullet load in my 27-2.

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Posted: June 09 2018 at 5:07am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

richhodg66 wrote:
Dad gave me about a
five pound drum of old Alcan #10, burns
somewhere between Herco and Blue Dot.
There's quite a bit of data for it in
several of my old Lyman manuals and it
looks like good stuff for moderately heavy
loads in the .357, .44 Magnum and .45
Colt. I plan to get busy figuring out a
healthy cast bullet load in my 27-2.


If my memory serves me correctly that
Alcan #10 is pretty course flakes isn't
it? Again, if memory serves me correctly,
suggest using weighed charges with it
rather then a volume based powder measure.
I think I used some of that way back to
load shotshells and I remember it didn't
work well in a shotshell bushing type
powder measure and I had to weigh each
charge to get consistent loads.

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Posted: June 09 2018 at 5:17am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Talking about old powders by the way, I
used to load 357 with HS7 powder (a fine
ball pwder like HS6 powder but noticably
slower burning) and it worked really well
to make lighter weight bullets go really
fast. Used to load FMJ 115gr. ball
intended for 9mm in the 357 with that
powder and really make them scream out the
barrel, they would zip right through most
anything you shot with them. Not really
sure what good they were for any kind of
actual "working" purpose but they sure
we're fun at the range to see how much
stuff you could shoot them through lining
up multiple targets of opportunity in a
row and then watch the bullets zip right
through everything.

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Posted: June 09 2018 at 5:57am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Powder choices? There are tons of choices. I honestly
believe we all can arrive at quite a few in a short time.
That's not entirely the problem. The problem that exists
is accumulation of dozens of powder types along the way.
We are persuaded or influenced by others to try another
powder as we are human, and human nature forces us to
follow. We follow what others display as successful. We
buy certain guns the pro's use in the belief we too will
shoot as good. Well known writers influence us
constantly. Elmer used this. Skeeter used that. Face it,
we seldom create our own, but we sure are quick to
abandon what we have for something someone else claims or
displays as successful. We are "programmed" to dump what
we use to adopt another's pattern or product. And I am
not claiming to have never fallen into the trap either.

I inventoried my pistol powder yesterday. There are 15
different types of powder there! FIFTEEN!! Why? Do
I actually need that many? Of course not. That's what
happens when you fall into the trap or you believe what
you have is inferior and so & so makes another powder
that's better. In hindsight, I find that thought process
flawed.

When not reacting as a septuagenarian with the agitation
that comes with age, I am actually quite analytical in
thought and action. Studying the patterns and trends of
my own use of these powders, it's obvious I deviated from
proven and established loads. Why? Simple. Outside
influences [personal testimony, advertising, etc.] and
such. Also self-doubt that my current loading was still
adequate. Thus I strayed from the proven known to the
unproven unknown. Human nature. The grass is always
greener on the other side of the fence. In reality its
the same grass growing in the same soil.

As stated, I am analytical in my approach to shooting as
in daily life. I study and analyze nearly everything and
everyone. Drove my last wife crazy as I would predict,
with considerable accuracy, the pending actions of people
we knew based upon observation and analysis of prior
behavior. She claimed I used voodoo. Just
observation and analysis. And thus I studied my records
of loads and shooting same. In actuality I only need two
pistol powders and one rifle powder. And I'll not publish
the powder's names so as not to influence others. The
grass here is the same there only its on my side of the
fence.

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Ranger - I've got four pistol powders on hand:

Bullseye
Unique
H110
AA#9

I could easily get by with pretty much any three of them. I like keeping it simple. The only reason I have the H110 is because someone gave me a pound of it a while back. I've used it in the past, with good results, but I'm not hooked on it.

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Most of my handgun loading is for the 38 Special & 45 ACP.

But these are all the handgun cartridges I load. Not really very many:

38 Special
357 Magnum
44 Magnum
45 ACP
45 Colt
500 S&W

I can load just fine with Bullseye, Unique and AA#9, covering those cartridges just fine.

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Posted: June 09 2018 at 7:53am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Laugh at me if you want but I only own one handgun now. A 4" L frame Smith. I could live quite happily with only Unique and 2400. I doubt it has had 2 dozen jacketed bullets through it in it's life but tens of thousands cast bullets.
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I'll not laugh at that Rex. Really nice revolver, and there's nothing wrong with the cartridge or your powder & bullet choices. Classics all around.
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K frame Smith and Wesson .357 mag
revolvers, the hammers of Thor!!

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Posted: June 09 2018 at 11:24am | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Sometime back, the mid 70's to be exact a friend came up with a 50
pound cannister of Hercules 5066 powder. He asked if I had data for the
9MM and .45 ACP using that one. I did. He gave me two pounds for my
trouble and I wish I had more. That stuff and the H&G #68 bullet made
my old Bob Chow .45 sing like an opera star. Well, those loads have long
since been shot up. I have a some older Lyman manuals, numbers 37,38
and 39 which have data for some of the older powders.

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Old Ranger wrote:
. . . The problem that exists is
accumulation of dozens of powder types along the way.
We are persuaded or influenced by others to try
another powder as we are human, and human nature
forces us to follow. . .



You have a point, but there is another reason at least
some of us end up with so many different powders in
the cabinet.

Namely, you go to buy the powder that you want and it
isn't available and they are all sold out of what you
want, and then you have to try to figure out which of
the powders they do have would probably work best for
the intended application. This is how I have many
times come home with powders that I have never used
before but it was the closest to what I was looking
for and I intended to make it work. And, yes,
sometimes it works well enough, even is superior for
some nitch application, that we then add that powder
into being one of our standards.

Then of course there are sales, and garage sale finds.
(by the way anyone know what "black powder" with no
"F" designation that looks like pellets for a pellet
stove only black is used for?)

Then there are some powders that by coincidence are
highly available and very reasonably priced in ones
particular locality but that one doesn't really like
to use but ends up doing so for low cost plinking
loads but still also get some of our preferred powders
for our "good loads".

RamShot powders were that way for me for a long time.
Why? Because I'm in Montana and Ramshot powders at
the time were Made in Montana and thus they were
almost always in-stock in all the local shops and were
like $12-$16 per one pound jug while all the other
powders were $20-$25 per one pound jug. Their load
data selection sucks and you usually have to
approximate your own loads from their data and they
only have a few powder burn speeds available as in
like only two of their powders are suitable for
traditional handgun loads one fast powder and one slow
powder and the slow burner doesn't have good low to
mid pressure burn characteristics. But it was cheap
so I used it.


I know you are all into the "minimalist" thing Old
Ranger, and I totally get that. There is a benefit in
reducing the stuff in ones life down to just what is
necessary. But on the other hand varieties of
gunpowders in the form of single partially used one
pound containers just have a certain multiplication
effect that occurs naturally even if one is not
deliberately trying out new powders based off of
following others. Supply issues and the necessity to
substitute lead to this multiplication as do sales and
garage sale finds and such.

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