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REM1875
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Posted: June 26 2018 at 5:25pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Not a horse person although nothing wrong with those who
love those big, beautiful, smart animals.
During the big drought we had here a few years back I
kept my gates locked so I didn't wake up a horse
owner....


As far as crimps I used to pull the stem out of a sizing
die and just bump the round to give a slight crimp and
make sure they fit better.
Seems like LEE now has an assortment of tools to do that
...
A few of which I have used .....

However if they ain't creeping out of the casing under
recoil I don't see the problem .......

Edited by REM1875 on June 26 2018 at 5:26pm
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Posted: June 27 2018 at 5:32am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Starting to sound like, the problem has not been with the guns but just the alloy..

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Posted: June 27 2018 at 8:08am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

REM1875 wrote:


As far as crimps I used to pull the stem out of a sizing
die and just bump the round to give a slight crimp and
make sure they fit better.
Seems like LEE now has an assortment of tools to do that
...
A few of which I have used .....

However if they ain't creeping out of the casing under
recoil I don't see the problem .......


What a lot of trouble and such. So much effort.

The 310 muzzle sizing die is micro adjustable in how deep
it resizes the case. Taking it exactly parallel to the
bullet base in sizing, the entire bullet's bearing
surface is fully gripped thus resisting movement.
Further, the seating/crimping die being equally micro
adjustable allows for a well regulated roll crimp over
the front driving band preventing any possible shift when
under recoil. All of the extra movements, dies, partial
die disassembly and such is not required here. Simply set
up the dies and load as normal.

John, I've been saying for years that my alloy was crap.
Buying WW from the wrong sources. Buying alloy quoted as
being pure WW only to find zink and other trash in it.
Yeah, my allow was total garbage.

Now that I rediscovered a final large plate of fantastic
lead I can stop worrying about the disgusting effects of
trash lead and concentrate on my shooting. On good days,
when the effects of the stroke are diminished, I shoot
quite well.

Edited by Old Ranger on June 27 2018 at 8:10am


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Posted: June 27 2018 at 3:04pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade

I am glad that it is working out for you. I have to say I was sorry to see you get rid of the flat top .44, I think you would have been very well pleased with it, once you got the alloy issue sorted out.

I have enjoyed my FT .44, and it is a real shooter.

That 200 gr. mold you have produces some very nice bullets for target shooting, and they work well for game as well.

I had that mold several years ago, in a single cavity, but sold it, for a good deal on a H&G 200 grn. double cavity mold complete with handles.

I worked up some loads for the Lyman mold, after reading an article by Dean Grenell. We chronographed those loads and they were averaging 1200 fps., in a series 70 Colt. .45ACP, definitely not for the faint of heart.

Those loads were marked.."use for extreme emergencies only"..
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Posted: June 27 2018 at 4:08pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

John, me and that Ruger were not compatible. I got talked
into to it by several folks but it was pure hell for me.
Had the sights cranked mega high and maxed to the right
yet it shot low left. Smeared the bore with metal fouling
be it commercial cast, my own, or copper jacketed. Fire
lapped and polished and still horrible. And I could never
adapt to that ridiculous "open the gate to rotate"
business. What idiot thought that one up? No, I'm glad
its gone! Worst revolver I ever owned.



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Posted: June 28 2018 at 12:05pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

When I started loading 310 tools were hard to find, and
gun dealers were not interested in ordering stuff...some
refused to deal with reloaders at all ......it was pretty
much what was on the shelf..... (some time before the
internet )

So it was a mallet, Lee Loader in 44-40 and old ideal
mold, a pot to heat lead and a cake cutter sizer and a
reloading manual.... (that didn't have the 44-40 in it)

Took a long time to save enough for that Rock chucker Kit
but I was in hog heaven when I got it and dies....
(military pay was not overly generous at the time)

It was 20 years down the road before I got a 310 and I
had a lot invested in conventional equipment...... and
they still were basically set up for old cartridges ....
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Posted: June 28 2018 at 1:51pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Ok Joe, not trying to sound a little bit off, but what
are you talking about? Granted this post, about a 45cal
bullet mould, has bounced from multiple loading die use.
Horses and horseback archery. To a pistol in another
caliber. To God knows what else! And now I'm totally lost
where this post is going/gone.

I feel like the old half-breed scout here. I keep
thinking:
"Can't you whitemen just stay on the trail and quit
wandering off?"

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Posted: June 28 2018 at 8:23pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Old Ranger wrote:
. . . . "Can't you whitemen just
stay on the trail and quit wandering off?"


You may be quite correct that it is a genetic tenancy.
I'm 1/4 Portuguese by bloodline and that end of my
heritage were known as "mad sea dogs" a few centuries
back since they were the only ones who kept trying to
sail off the edge of the earth until that Columbus guy
came along. And Lord knows I'm among the worst for
causing thread drift.

GETTING BACK TO THE TOPIC AT HAND

I have a similar mold from Saco, same weight, similar
nose profile. About the only difference between it
and the 452460 is that my Saco has a single lube
groove as apposed to the double lube grooves of the
452460. Works good for me, one of my favorite molds
for 45-ACP. For 45-Colt I usually prefer something a
little on the heavier side.

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Posted: June 28 2018 at 8:54pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

A little heavier? Yeah, me too. My #1 primary 45 Colt
bullet is the old classic, 454190 at 255gr. If it can't
be stopped with that bullet [well placed oh course] then
one needs to go home and take up knitting.

The 424460 is a dandy in a 45 ACP and wanted that mould
regardless. Loading a few to try in a 45 Colt was really
a curious afterthought. Yes, at 25m, when I can hold
still, it's about 2" low. At 15m it's closer to POA.
Its fun in the old open top, but really better in " Ole
Betsy".

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Posted: June 29 2018 at 5:14pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Ok
We were talking about the 200 gr 45 and got onto the
topic of crimping it or not..... I mentioned how I crimp
them with the old method of pulling out the stem of the
the sizing die and bumping them or now LEE has come up
with all sorts of crimping tools if needed.
The 310 tools superiority was mentioned and i was
explaining that the 310 was considered a pricey antique
when it could be found when I set up.
There has been a few remarks because I tend to collect
and keep shooters that I am some sort of rich guy

As one can see I started the the hard way coming by my
knowledge back in the old days.
JUST LIKE MOST OF YOU....


So I am still talking about the 200 gr 45 and how to
crimp it if needed ....I have a wealth of old dies and
have some that I have reserved with the stems pulled plus
LEEs (yeah yeah I know a lot of second hand dies makes me
a rich guy again)


As a side note that bump made for a lot less failure when
dealing with 452-457 ......424 to 431 .....and 400- 406..
throats and chambers of old guns

Make sense now?

(It's hard for the Irish to give directions in a
straight line or to make a long story short is
impossible)
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Posted: June 29 2018 at 6:13pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

My favorite 45ACP and 45 S&W is the NEI 454-230-HB
(once again at the risk of sounding like rich guy I have
2 NEI molds)
I agree with the heavier weight for 45 Colt (LC)....
something closer to the LEE 452-255-RF, 452-255-RF or
454190

I have had nothing but problems with the round nose on a
190 gr that is similar to 429384 but weight a lot less.
Problems of my own making I might add.....so I tend to
shy away from bullets shaped like that with the long
round nose.
Still talking about 45 cal bullet molds   
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Posted: June 30 2018 at 7:46am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Ok. I yield.
I'm moving on. I'm too confused at this point to remain
here.

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