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Posted: June 15 2018 at 8:56am | IP Logged Quote Rex

I'm no Jerry Miculek with any gun but I took the CZ 75 out this morning and found that there is a large learning curve I may never master. Pistol works great, nary a hiccup. My fingers are a bit short, couldn't get the finger placement on the trigger that felt right. My 686 S&W almost needs a filler over the backstrap to feel comfortable. My misses grouped pretty good, just well below the swing plate. Found about half of the spent brass. Funny part was that I left the window down on the pickup and shot from about 6 feet to the left of the door, over half of the brass that I found had been thrown in the open window and was laying on the floorboard. A fun piece but for any type of precision I'll use the revolver. Yes, I'm old and that makes a difference. I'm going on 76 and still having fun pulling the trigger.
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Shooting is one of those sports we can enjoy throughout our lives.

Good on you for getting out and sending some bullets downrange!

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As long as one can lift the gun and pull the trigger,
there's still fun to be had. My shooting has slowed down
because of a bum knee, rain and forest fires, but at 71 I
can still lift my Ruger SBH and shoulder my Garand...

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Posted: June 15 2018 at 1:27pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Time was I could drop to the prone and get on target in
seconds. Now it takes me almost two full minutes to get
in a sitting position and wait to stop huffing and
puffing! Yeah, getting old really sucks, but at least
we're still here to complain about it huh?

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Posted: June 15 2018 at 3:00pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Wade, I know what you are talking about.(huffing &puffing)But that auto pistol vs revolver thing I may never get used to.
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Posted: June 15 2018 at 6:07pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Get some snapcaps and dryfire practice on trigger finger
isolation. Work to keep the trigger finger off the frame.
It might help. We had lots of officers who had difficulty
with the Baretta 92F when issued at the PD. Gotta keep
that one finger off the frame.

Other than that we'll both keep creaking along huh?

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Posted: June 16 2018 at 10:46am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

There is even a learning curve among some revolvers.....be
very wary of the Chiappa Rhino especially if you are a
single action shooter.
The hammer is not 'a real hammer' and feels different
...their is a tiny cock indicator next to the 'hammer' and
a very light trigger.
Firing from the 'bottom' cylinder is something to pay
attention to...and how the gun is built is very different.

But accuracy and function are what counts and on that basis
it is superb.....     
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Posted: June 16 2018 at 1:18pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Old Ranger wrote:
Time was I could drop to the prone and get on
target in
seconds. Now it takes me almost two full minutes to get
in a sitting position and wait to stop huffing and
puffing! Yeah, getting old really sucks, but at least
we're still here to complain about it huh?


Getting down into the prone isn't much of a problem. Gravity helps a lot.
My big problem is getting my fat butt back up ti a vertical position
resembling standing upright. Probably should be on America's finniest
home videos or something.
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Posted: June 16 2018 at 9:54pm | IP Logged Quote STCM(SW)

Now, you guys have more problems then me it seems...
I now am the same weight and height as I was on July 7, 1960 when I was sworn in the Navy.
5'6 1/2", 151 Lbs.
But my waist is not 32", now 35".....

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Posted: June 17 2018 at 8:12am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I am not 5'7", 5'6 1/2" or even 5'6" any more (depending on
the convenience store I am exiting)
But in my defense I can still wear the same ribbons and/or
medals I used to wear ..... they still fit ........

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Posted: June 20 2018 at 5:38am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I hit the 3/4 century mark the middle of next January, at 6' and 165# not much has changed since I was 16, I just do it slower. I get in my 5 miles every day, and even had a go with a bear on my evening rounds last night.

A nice looking brown phase black bear, about 200#, the second time I have see this guy in the last week, last night he was in my pasture, if he persists in hanging around I may have some very close up photos to share.

Rex

A good investment for the CZ 75 is a heavier recoil spring, I put a 17# spring in mine and it drops the cases no more than about three feet away, and pretty much all in the same spot.

Those guns will really shoot, the sights are a bit fine, and not real easy for old eyes.

Jeff Cooper was very fond of the CZ75 design, and the only gun that is copied more is the 1911.

Another thing I have found out in my travels with the 9mm, is that a lot of the guns have .356 bores, and do not produce the best accuracy with the majority of factory 115 grn. .355 ammunition. Most of the old manuals recommend .358 for the 9mm. Any of the guns made outside of the US are regulated for the 124 grn NATO lading.

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Posted: June 22 2018 at 1:15am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

John
Got to agree with the .358 vs .355...... Better to have a
little extra bullet than not enough.... they will swag down
...harder to bump em up.....
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Posted: June 22 2018 at 5:30am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

When I first got my Ruger 9mm, before I started loading, I bought a couple of boxes of ammo, one was jacketed bullets the other cast bullet reloads.

The jacketed stuff did OK, but the cast bullets went everywhere. I recovered some of those bullets from the snow and there were no rifling marks on them, they miked out to .354.

I just size all of my 9mm stuff to .358. I also noticed that with "store bought" ammo, all of my fired cases have a lot of soot on the outside. Which tells me that they are not expanding and sealing off the chamber, most likely due to undersized bullets. While with all of my reloads, the fired cases are as bright as when they came out of the tumbler.

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Posted: June 22 2018 at 7:28am | IP Logged Quote LAH

As a revolver shooter I had trouble with the CZ also.
The trigger is a little different. I probably put a
1000 rounds through that pistol & a bunch of dry firing
before I could keep it inside the barn. Now you know
why I left so much ammo with you.

Those bullets are sizes .358" & fit the gun perfectly.
My S&W M&P won't chamber those loads unless the bullet
is sized .357".

As for the CZ it doesn't fit my hand well neither. I
can shoot it DA if I start for the hammer on the first
notch. I learned the hold for SA but it is somewhat of
a reach for me.

Dry firing will be your friend Rex while learning this
platform. I use a penny taped to my refrigerator. BTW
that load prints a tad high at 25 for me.

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Posted: June 22 2018 at 10:01am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

LAH
That's why my 1911s are straight... no frill military
style...
Single handed operation as a left handed shooter already
has a learning curb on them..... The fancy beaver tail just
seems to get in the way .......
So what and how I reach it are important me ......I do
prefer my revolvers though....

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Posted: June 22 2018 at 11:05am | IP Logged Quote LAH

I like the flat mainspring housing & short trigger on
the 1911.

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Posted: June 22 2018 at 12:12pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

My CZ fits well and does not like .358 bullets.I have
about 300 or so that I loaded for my Glock and Ruger,
those two pistols would eat anything. I still have the
Ruger, so I take it to the range and empty the loaded
rounds with the Ruger then handload the empties with .357
diameter and the CZ is happy. I can't say how it shoots
with factory loads. Nor can I say for the Ruger, either.I
have neuropathy and found that a pistol that will shoot
single action as opposed to a striker fired is better for
me.

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Posted: June 22 2018 at 12:31pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

Tom my CZ is an earlier one & seems to do equally well
with 357 or 358. Which model is your Ruger?

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Posted: June 22 2018 at 12:58pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

UPDATE:

Took the 9 out again today with a handful of ammo. I still shoot low but managed 5 out of 12 on a 6X6 plate at 21 yards. The first clip wasn't that good. The positive was that I found almost all of the brass.
Dug up the missed lead with a screwdriver and it had clustered nicely beneath by plate. Nice enough group for an old man but I need to figure a little front sight to hold up. POSTITVE PROGRESS
Edit:
I did figure out how to use the UpLULA clip loader. That thing is a dandy.

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Atta boy Rex! Keep that trigger finger isolated and aim
like they're ridding Clydesdales!

Actually I knew you'd get it worked out.

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