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Posted: June 22 2018 at 2:19pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

The mag loader is a real finger saver for a high
capacity 9. I normally load the 4 mags & take the
pistol with me each outing regardless of what else I
take. That gives you 60 rounds. And don't be too
concerned about the brass. That's why I chose a 9 to
learn on. [cheap brass]

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Posted: June 22 2018 at 9:27pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

LAH wrote:
Tom my CZ is an earlier one & seems to do equally well
with 357 or 358. Which model is your Ruger?


LC9s Pro. I shoot the Lee 120 gr tc lubed with Carnauba Red from
White Label Lubes.

I'm debating on getting the CZ throated, but if it continues to shoot the
.357 bullets dependably I may not. The Ruger doesn't care.....

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Posted: June 23 2018 at 5:16am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

.358 bullets in my CZ it shoots pretty much point of aim, I use almost exclusively 125 gr. bullets in that gun.

On one of the CZ forums, they recommend that you change out the hammer spring for a 13# spring, to lighten the trigger pull.

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Posted: June 23 2018 at 5:24am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

As far as loading mags as mentioned
earlier 9x19 high capacity mags that are
double stack, single feed those mag loader
tools are a life saver. Now, if you ever
happen to have a 9x19 gun that is double
stack, double feed especially if a normal
capacity mag without a rediculous amount
of spring pressure those are fairly easy
to load without a tool. Single stack mags
it's all a matter of how much spring
pressure there is, Lugers being among the
worst I've dealt with where a tool is so
needed but few tools fit the Luger mags
well.

Easiest 9x19 I've ever loaded was a
Chinese gun, supposedly an import model of
their military pistol, darn thing is a
double stack, double feed standard
capacity mag in a standard size grip.
Very nice and easy to load the mag by
hand, normally you don't see double stack,
double feed 9x19 guns where the mag goes
in the grip, normally only see that on mag
forward of trigger guard, chamber forward
pistols built like sub-guns like my AP9.

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Posted: June 23 2018 at 5:33am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

If you cant shoot the CZ 75 you are not using the right loads..

http://www.gunblast.com/CZ-75.htm
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John Van Gelder wrote:
If you cant shoot the CZ 75 you are not using the right loads..

http://www.gunblast.com/CZ-75.htm


CZ 75 is just an outstanding, and highly respected pistol. I don't own one, but have shot a couple of them, and yes, they are impressive. Comfortable in hand, reliable, and accurate. I was just shooting standard 124 gr FMJ ammo from CCI-Blazer through those guns. Nice!

If I wasn't so addicted to my 1911's, I'd have one.

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I'd looked at a number of CZ's but my short stubby fingers on my left hand didn't like them, so I passed on them. Even though a couple of them were .41AE's I really wanted.

I ran into the same problem with Sig's. I kept hoping one of our officers would get one of each so I could shoot them, but they all went to Glock's, except for one Star Firestar .45 and the Chiefs 9mm S&W.
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Posted: June 23 2018 at 12:46pm | IP Logged Quote Tom W.

It appears that all the listed loads were jacketed
bullets....

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I have a few 9mm pistols.
I must still be in the early 20th century because the one I shoot best and fits my hand is my Browning HP....



Edited by STCM(SW) on June 23 2018 at 1:23pm


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Well, that is The Classic 9mm...
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Posted: June 23 2018 at 8:20pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

The load for Rex's CZ is the Redding 147 RNBB cast from
range scrap lubed with LBT Blue Soft. 3.5 grains of
Promo & the primer slips me at the moment. The cases
are a mixed mess.

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It scares me that I might actually figure out how to shoot this thing.
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 5:18am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Perhaps a moment of silence here.. the first of the high capacity, well made 9mms is no longer being made.
that would be the Browning.


A gun that works for folks with small hands is the SR series Rugers.

Rex The CZ shoots the best with 124-125 grn bullets. 4 grains of Unique should shoot pretty nicely in that gun and nothing sized smaller than .357.

There are a number of articles to be found loading bullets as heavy as 160gr. in the 9, that puts you back into about standard .38 spl velocities. But some folks find 18 rounds of .38s without a reload appealing.

The Lyman # 44 Manual lists a load with a 158 grn bullet at over a 1000 fps in a 4" S&W Mod 39, no idea of the pressure, but probably unsafe by todays standards.
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Rex wrote:
It scares me that I might actually figure
out how to shoot this thing.


I never once doubted that you would master this weapon


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John Van Gelder wrote:
A gun that works for folks with small hands is the SR series Rugers.


I have a couple smaller 9mms, but I really like my Browning High Power and even the Taurus PT99, which is good because I'll never own another Ruger.

John, I guess I should have explained a little better, my fingers are short but my hands aren't small. I bet I couldn't even get O.J.'s larger gloves on my hands. Most semi-autos I don't have a problem with, but there are some that are problematic, and a lot of that has to do with me being left handed and their pistols aren't designed to be lefty friendly.

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Old Ranger wrote:
Rex wrote:
It scares me that I
might actually figure
out how to shoot this thing.


I never once doubted that you would master this weapon


I'm with you Ranger. If he can figure out his son-in-
law`s equipment he will do well with the CZ.

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Posted: June 24 2018 at 11:45am | IP Logged Quote Rex

Didn't say I was good yet. Even with my revolver I need to blow away a cylinder full to get the thing to settle back in my hand and to remember to slow down the trigger finger, this CZ is no different.
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 2:36pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

One way to get good with a handgun (auto
or otherwise) is to use a snap-cap and dry
fire practice whenever you watch any TV or
movie in your own home.

Triple plus check that the gun has
no live ammo in it and only the snap cap
in the chamber(s) and the magazine is
completely empty if the gun in question
won't fire without a magazine inserted.

Then dry fire practice and shoot only the
"bad guys" in whatever your watching and
concentrate on making a good shot where
the sights don't jolt around when you
squeeze off your shot and you maintain
proper sight picture before, during, and
after each shot. The after part being
especially important, just like in bowling
if you concentrate on the follow through
in your arm swing the ball goes where you
want it to go. Same thing, your sights
should still be straight on target after
you squeeze off each shot. With most
autos you will need to short rack the
slide after each shot, not far enough to
eject the snap-cap; just far enough to
reset the firing system and allow the
snap-cap to be rechambered.

It will surprise you how good of practice
this is. It will teach you to make good
quick shots. It will surprise you how
quick you have to be to get a shot off
before they frame changes to a different
camera angle. You will also see how much
your trigger pull jostles your sights
around until you learn not to do that and
squeeze off a clean crisp shot.

Edited by turbo1889 on June 24 2018 at 2:38pm


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The only 9 mm Autos we have are a few P-38 post war
police pistols I picked up at the Rod and Gun club in W.
Germany (jimmy carter stopped my 9 mm 1937 police luger I
payed for from coming home with me ....)
Now I can attest to the accuracy of a 9mm in a revolver or
2 we have but on the whole I am not much of a 9mm fan.

Now the 45 and 40 S&W are a different story......


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I must admit I am a fan of Spanish steel.....The Star
Supers in 9 Largo are nothing to sneeze at.
The most accurate 9mm I have ever shot was FireStar.

My latest is a a Star M-31 P in 40 S&W that I just flat
out like the hell out of (I better .... the 2nd magazine
cost almost half of what I paid for the gun......) It's
what we call a boring gun .....you aim, shoot and then
have to go put a target up again....over and over....

I got an Astra in 380 but I am always tempted by the
bigger ones in 9 Largo
And I still kick myself for not picking up the destroyer
carbines
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