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Abram
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Posted: June 20 2018 at 10:17am | IP Logged Quote Abram

I own a Ruger VLE in 308, not something I want to really hunt with but would like to get into long range shooting. My question is this, which do you prefer for long range shooting, First Focal Plane or Second Focal Plane, I am leaning towards SFP as the reticle will will stay the same size through magnification changes but to use say Mildot for ranging you have to have it on the mag setting as indicated by the manufacturer. On the other hand a FFP you can range estimate through all magnification settings but the cross hairs will grow and shrink depending. I know for years some of our military used a fixed 10X scope, not sur if that is still true but that might be the road to take. Right now I ma looking at 600 yards max.
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There's times when I feel like a dinosaur, and this is one of them. I haven't kept up with the latest technology because I can't afford it anyway.

What kind of long range shooting are you planning on getting into?
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Posted: June 24 2018 at 4:09pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

As I'm not a long range shooter per se, at least not at 600 yards but I would talk to someone who is and see what these guys are using in competition. Ask the question on accurateshooter.com

Personally I like the SFP traditional scope because the reticle remains constant, an advantage for hunting small varmints.

Most of the long range (over 500 yards) varmint hunters I know use high end scopes (SFP) with repeatable clicks and dial up the desired range.

Buying a scope today is a real headache. A multitude of recticles, SFP vs. FFP, 1" vs 30 mm, type of pararrlex adjustment or none, etc, etc.

I never figured out why a scope has both a distance (elevation) estimating style reticle plus turrets for dial up.

Like everything else in this crazy modern world, they have taken something simple and make it terrible complicated. And while were on the subject, there's nothing wrong with a fixed power scope except they are extremely hard to fine. I have rarely if ever use the variable feature on my hunting scopes. Sorry I'm venting.

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I prefer fixed power scopes for long range.   Maybe I'm old
fashioned and a dinosaur but that's what I was taught to use.   
Never been a big fan of variable scopes though I do own a few.

But for long range shooting my scopes are fixed power at 24x or
36x.

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Long ago in the jungles, fields, and rice patties a 6x
Redfield on a pre-64 M70 in '06 was good enough for mine,
and the army's needs. That scope and mount belonged to
my father as the army didn't have one to give me. When I
was ordered back to Benning, I pulled the scope and mount
and returned it to my dad when I ETS'ed out the gate.

Today, I don't use scopes. They've become far to
complicated and variable power scopes throws off ranging
every time you change em. With a fixed power you see the
enemy's torso and can quickly judge the basic range and
hold accordingly. Same with a paper target or deer's
chest depth. All those fancy range finder scopes take a
graduate from MIT and 10 minutes to read.

Sorry, I'm ranting a bit as well. Vintage fixed power
scopes of quality and in excellent condition cost more
than the rifle and then you're scared to take 'em out for
fear of damaging em!
I just realized I might not have helped you much.

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Posted: June 25 2018 at 3:04pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

I looked up the subject on-line, since none of my books are new enough to cover it, and I found a video from Vortex Optics. The young man in the video was obviously in the healing process from a case of "scope eye". I figured he must be in R&D instead of sales.

I don't know if Abram is coming back, but for what it's worth I have range finding scopes but prefer to use an off the scope rangefinder. It worked well for varmint hunting but may not be as practical for larger game.
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I used a 12x Leupold for most of my 600 yard prone matches when I was competing. It was excellent!

My SWAT rifle had a 4.5-14x Leupold atop it for most of it's "career" and now has a more powerful Vortex variable. With SWAT, I was extremely unlikely to have to make a long shot, I was more concerned about 30 - 200 yard possibilities. Still, that 4.5-14x acquitted itself well at 600 yards and beyond.

FFP/SFP - each has advantages & disadvantages. Live with the one you like the most.

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Posted: June 26 2018 at 10:28am | IP Logged Quote Abram

Sorry to get back so late fellas, been busy. thank you for all of the replies and rants they are helpful. I will not be competing but learning to shoot further. The longest distance I have ever shot was 100 yards so just shooting 200 would be fun for me. I am going to the CMP Talladega range and use the x9 power scope I have now just to get an idea of what the target would look like at that power setting. For those of you who have shot long range what kind of field of view is good say for 600 yards. I am starting to lean towards a fixed power scope. My quest continues
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See if you can get some coaching there at Talladega. Should be someone there with some good long-range experience.

A real bargain on the precision scope market has a silly name "Super Sniper" but those 10x scopes have an excellent reputation.

They're avail through SWFA at a very good price. Not American made, but a very good scope.

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Thanks Guy
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