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Posted: June 25 2018 at 8:40am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Looks like Winchester has decided to do a run of old ammo
25-35, 32 Win Spl, 25-20. 32-20, 38-40, Two 44-40 (225 gr
lead and a 200 gr power point) 30-40 and several others.

Course they ain't exactly cheap......
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Can't shoot them if you don't have them.

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Posted: June 25 2018 at 10:10am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Well, its probably because they need to
step up their game.

That PPU stuff being imported from Serbia
is starting to cut into their game. A few
years back for some of the less common
older cartridges Winchester white box was
the only game in town if you wanted
quality brass cased boxer primed factory
ammo, and you bought what you could when
it became available and you paid whatever
they wanted to ask for it. But now PPU
seems to be on a lot of shelves in some
not so standard loadings including a box
of 7.9x33 Kurz I just saw yesterday just
sitting in stock on a regular store shelf
and did a double take on hardly believing
my eyes.

Don't get me wrong I like good made in the
U.S.A. quality products but to keep them
giving us what we want the Corporates need
a good kick in the pants competition wise
every once in a while.

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Posted: June 25 2018 at 10:23am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

7.9x33 Kurz---- that one has always puzzled me ...whose
using enough of that stuff to keep companies loading it ???
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 12:02pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

Couple of cartridges I play with, the 7x57 Mauser and .358 Win. are
only found when Big W decides they might want to sell a few. They call
it "on a seasonal basis" and they decide the season. I haven't seen
either in years.
About five or six years ago, there was a guy selling new bulk brass. I
got 500 pieces of Remington 7x57 and 350 pieces of Winchester 7x57.
He even had 500_ rounds of .358. You can damn well bet every piece
of that brass now resides chez moi. Didn't leave me any money to buy
guns for a while but I did get a smokin' good deal. Never felt on bit of
guilt taking it all. I've been doing an awful lot of work with the 7x57 in
finding out it's true potential when used in a modern rifle. You'd be
surprised what that little cartridge can do.
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 12:20pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

PPU in 7x57 is a common thing on the
shelves in my area. I don't do any double
takes on it.

7x57 is one of my favorites as well and I
have multiple guns in that chambering
along with a decent supply of brass and
even a small quantity of some of the old
South American mil. surp. ammo that dried
up long ago but was once cheap and
plentiful shooters fodder. So I have only
bought a few boxes of factory ammo in 7x57
over the last few years. Older boxes of
factory 7x57 in my inventory are either
Remington bonded SP loads or some of the
old bronze tip loads. Anything more
current is PPU loads and I have test fired
a few of them and they are good ammo.

What I mainly buy in PPU is 7.62x25 which
is good reloadable brass for low cost
factory loads and 303-Brit which I like to
shoot some of my old warhorses in that
chambering but that chambering is really
hard on brass and you don't get many
reloads on 303-Brit. brass so I am always
running low on 303-Brit. brass. I really
wish Tula would load 303-Brit. in steel
casing loads for cheap because that
chambering is so hard on brass life for
reloads.

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Posted: June 25 2018 at 12:35pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Probably should mention after reading end
of my own post above. I am aware of the
"Wolf" brand 303-Brit. ammo with it's Bi-
metal casing. It ain't bad but those
cases don't work as well as the steel Tula
cases for the conversation I do to make
the empties use 209 shotgun primers and
then get many reloads with cast bullets in
the modified steel cases. I don't know
why but it is a different steel in the
Tula cases. Tula steel cases converted to
take 209 shotgun primers will handle many
neck size only cast bullet reloads but
Wolf Bi-metal rifle cases get brittle and
crack after only a few reloads.

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Posted: June 25 2018 at 2:31pm | IP Logged Quote RT58

REM1875 wrote:
7.9x33 Kurz---- that one has always puzzled me ...whose
using enough of that stuff to keep companies loading it ???


I wish I had a STG-44, or even a handi-rifle chambered in it. I'm not into the AR mania, hype much, but the "real" assault rifle concept intrigues me.
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Posted: June 25 2018 at 3:56pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

RT58

You and me both on that STG-44 course i think I would
love to try an AK or AR platform using 7.9x33 Kurz ....I
bet its a winner.....

Paul B

Yeah I been stung by that "on a seasonal basis" more
than once .....once upon a time when Winchester took a
break Remington would start again..... those days seem
lone gone.



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Posted: June 25 2018 at 4:03pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

turbo1889

That PPU ammo has come in handy more that once......
I like straight pulls and fell victim to more than one 88
dollar 8x56R Steyr M-95.....and it ain't the only PPU brass
or rounds around here...
Has worked well for me ......

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Rem, I have a CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39, it would make a great patrol rifle. I've never shot a 7.9x33 in anything but I'd like to give one a try as I think the concept has great potential.
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Posted: June 26 2018 at 4:54pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

RT58

Nice rifle- CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39

How does she shoot ?

I suspect the 7.9x33 downfall was being on the losing
side (and that was a damned good thing) but I still see
the ammo listed everywhere and wonder who is using enough
of it to keep it in production ???......

I would like to be one of those keeping it in production
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Posted: June 26 2018 at 5:18pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Well, one must consider that the majority
of the rifles made in the 7.9x33 Kurz were
select fire weapons and thus are capable
of burning through a lot of ammo fast and
due to the costs of owning such NFA
weapons the owners can usually afford to
burn up plenty of ammo it kind of makes
some sense.

Probably a couple thousand of those select
fire guns plus maybe a couple hundred of
the semi-auto "last ditch defense of the
fatherland" blowback guns are probably in
the U.S. as surviving war trophies. Due
to the NFA rules the select fire ones
trickled into the hands of people with
money to burn.

So I imagine there are not very many
buyers of the ammo but those that do buy
probably buy a lot of it.

The only reason I can think of though for
a box or two to be on a regular store
shelf up here would be if someone around
here has one of those less common really
crude semi-auto blowback guns. 7.9x33 is
one of the few intermediate rifle
cartridges that actually does work fairly
well in straight blowback although a very
heavy bolt is required. Or so I have
read.

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"What I mainly buy in PPU is 7.62x25 which
is good reloadable brass for low cost
factory loads and 303-Brit which I like to
shoot some of my old warhorses in that
chambering but that chambering is really
hard on brass and you don't get many
reloads on 303-Brit. brass so I am always
running low on 303-Brit. brass. I really
wish Tula would load 303-Brit. in steel
casing loads for cheap because that
chambering is so hard on brass life for
reloads."

I dunno how you have your .303 Brit die set up but the following just
might help you get a few more loads to the case.

This is how I set up my sizing die for bottleneck cartridges.

1. Take a once fired factory round and blacken the neck and shoulders
with a Magic Marker or Sharpee pen. Some people like to smoke the
neck and shoulder, but I find the Magic Marker/Sharpee pen a bit
better.

2. Carefully lubricate the case.

3. Loosen the lock ring on the sizing die and back off about two turns
from when the die is set to touch the shell holder.

4. Size the case. Note where the marks are on the case and turn the
die down about a half a turn and size again. Turn down some more,
and resize again. What you are looking for is the marks on the
blackening just touching the shoulder.

5. Clean the lube from the case and try it in the rifle. It may chamber
just a bit on the snug side. If so, turn the die down ever so slightly, lube
and size again. Wipe off the lube and try in the rifle. If it slides in as
easily as a factory round, you should be good to go. If not, usually one
more very slight adjustment should fix the problem.

6. Tighten the locking ring for the die and you're done. You have just
set your sizing die up for a custom fit to your specific rifle, rather than a
generic one size fits all guns.

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im down to the same question for my cautious self and
that is is this winchester ammo too hot for my old 1906
SAA Colt?

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REM1875 wrote:
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Nice rifle- CZ 527 Carbine in 7.62x39

How does she shoot ?



Rem, It shoots really well with Winchester and Remington factory ammo and handloads using .311 diameter bullets. I played around with it some using .308 diameter, 150 gr. bullets but accuracy wasn't so great. When I get time I'll get back to it but other priorities stepped in.

The Germans developed a lot of stuff that has been copied since WW2 and it seems to be common practice to not give them credit for any of it. I think they call it the "spoils of war".
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steven wrote:
im down to the same question for my
cautious self and
that is is this winchester ammo too hot for my old 1906
SAA Colt?


Steven
What caliber?
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Posted: June 28 2018 at 11:39am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

My 303 brit is a US govt wallowed out Ross and there is no
way I would put these fire formed casings back through a
full resize.
303 brit in .....bang......303 Ross out......
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steven wrote:
im down to the same question for my cautious self
and
that is is this winchester ammo too hot for my old 1906
SAA Colt?


Knowing the cartridge the gun is chambered too would help but I'll
look at it this way. Most factory ammo for guns chambered to the older
"cowboy" guns are most likely mild enough to be safe. Winchester and
Remington don't want to get sued.I have a Colt SA in .45 Colt and the
bore and cylinder holes look like a dirty old smokestack. Obviously
some previous owner wasn't too fastidious on the care of that gun.
Funny thing in I have several later colt SA's and this old beater is
tighter than all the newer guns. Oh, before I forget, my Colt's birthday
was in 1908.
Something we have to look at with our two guns, it was sometime in
the 1920's before Colt started using steel for their single actions. you
gun and mine as well have a frame made of iron. I think the cylinder id
also made of iron. If I decide to shoot mine, I would either look for
factory "cowboy" loads which are very light or load your own to
something equal to the cowboy loads. No use straining the old girl.
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One of the really nice varmint, small game and deer "up close" cartridges, was the .25-20.

My uncle had one in a Winchester, it was a very long time ago and I do not remember what model it was. It had the 1/2 magazine, and a nickel steel barrel. My Uncle gave the gun to my dad, with the request that he wanted a .222 in trade.

My dad bought a box of .25-20s and handed the gun and ammo to me, and instructed me to "go fourth and kill woodchucks".. maybe not just in those words, but that was implied.

I was about 15 at the time, I had a 39A Marlin, so I already had a fondness for lever guns. The .25-20 was a "quantum leap" from the .22LR, and I killed many "whistle pigs".. All good things end, my Dad found a nice .222 for my Uncle and Winchester, was pried out of my hands.

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