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Posted: July 09 2018 at 7:58pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Out of curiosity, how many here have had a rifle re-barreled?

And why did you re-barrel? I know at least a few have.


I've rebarreled only two rifles, a Winchester Model 70 match rifle and my Remington 700 "SWAT" rifle otherwise known as the "Green Machine." In both cases it was due to wearing out the 308 Win barrels. Minimum barrel life was about 4,000 rounds, maximum about 6,000 rounds.

Rifles please. We can do another discussion re handguns.

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Re-Barrel or have replaced?
I had my 1944 M1 barrel replaced with a new one maybe 7,8 years ago. Was not in good shape after WW II and Korea.
Shoots good now.


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Well, I've not so much had rifles
rebarrelled as built what I wanted using
actions that we're good actions for what I
wanted to make for the right price but to
get what I wanted needed a different
barrel configuration as well as new stock
if necessary to get what I wanted as well
as all the little things like sights built
in bipods etc . . .

Closest thing I have done to a straight
rebarrel is the 410 rifled barrel slug gun
that I built out of an old 303-Brit
Enfield bolt gun. Found a good cheap
donor gun with a sewer pipe barrel rusted
inside and out but with a solid action and
decent furniture and a clearance priced
405-Wincester barrel blank. Removed the
original barrel myself (BIG vise bolted on
top of a 55-gal drumb full of concrete,
big wrench, and about an 8' cheater bar)
then took it and the blank to a Smith and
paid him to copy the barrel profile and
threading. Screwed the new barrel in and
torqued it down. Took a basic cheap
straight fluted finish hole reamer and
chucked it into the drill press and
reground it's tip to give my preferred
throat profile and did the same to a
slightly smaller diameter drill bit. With
the bolt out of the action I then rough
cut the chamber with the drill bit with a
manual T-handle and extension, then middle
step with the reamer using the same manual
T-handle, and then finally made a lead
chamber casting and spun the chamber
casting with lapping compund with a hand
power drill to finish polish the chamber.
Silver soldered the original front sights
back on and did some minor grinding of the
feed lips and feed ramp to get the gun to
feed 2.5" shells from the magazine, then
put all the original military wood
furniture barrel bands and such back on.
Then found the best spot to engrave it's
new chambering designation.

Chamber is full 3" but you can only shoot
them single shot loading since the
magazine isn't long enough for the 3"
shells and is just barely enough for 2.5"
shells and had to grind in an aggressive
feed ramp for them to work. Still haven't
modified it to include a magazine
disconnect which it really should have.

Otherwise that's the closest thing to a
"rebarrel only" and it included magazine,
feed lips, and feed ramp modifications for
the gun to work with the cartridge change.
No reason to change anything else. Once
adjusted the rear ghost ring and front
hooded barley corn sight work just fine
for putting a 410 slug, triple 41-ball
load, or 5-pellet OOO buck load into a
deers chest cavity at 50-yards or less and
then for anything further you need to flip
the original long range tang style sight
up to compensate for shotgun slugs rainbow
flight path. Range numbers don't match up
of course but you figure out where to set
the sight for different ranges to
compensate for the drop.

Everything else I did a lot more then I
did with that build.

And oh yah, as an FYI for those who might
freak out about shooting deer with 410
shotgun. Within 50-yards the good factory
loads like brenneke slugs are up to the
job as are the 5-pellet OOO buckshot loads
within buckshot ranges. All with good
shot placement of course (it is a rifled
barrel slug gun guys) and 410-bore OOO
buckshot loads are in-line loaded in a wad
that acts like a sabot so they shoot
excellent and pattern tight out of a
rifled barrel. The triple 41 ball loads
are handloads and are as good or better
then a brenneke slugs out to 70-ish yards.
And I handloads custom slug loads using
cast lead 41-cal bullets as slugs and
sending solid lead slugs in the 200-grain
range at about 1,500-fps muzzle velocity
out of a rifled barrel with excellent
adjustable tang style iron sights with a
long sight radius I assure you is deer
worthy well beyond 50 yards if the shooter
does their part.

Edited by turbo1889 on July 10 2018 at 12:31am


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Decided to do it on my Rem 700 VS after the original barrel would no
longer shoot a group without at least 1 flyer off by 2".   Cartridge was
.25-06 and wore out at about 1000 rounds.

It was really an experience finding someone to do the work.   Krieger
wanted a small fortune to do the work as well as some of the local
smiths.    I found a local custom rifle builder called Kelbly's that did
the work for a reasonable price.    



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joed wrote:
. . . Cartridge was .25-06 and wore out at
about 1000 rounds. . .


OUCH !!! A barrel that only lasted 1-K rounds before it
needed replaced !!! Is that normal for a 25-06, or was
it just a lemon barrel to start with? My 220-Swift
which is the closest I have to your cartridge still has
its original barrel on it with who knows how many rounds
before me and I've put probably half a K through it with
so far no issues. Kind of scary to think its possible
to wear out a barrel that quickly !!!

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turbo1889 wrote:
joed wrote:
. . . Cartridge was .25-06
and wore out at
about 1000 rounds. . .


OUCH !!! A barrel that only lasted 1-K rounds before it
needed replaced !!! Is that normal for a 25-06, or was
it just a lemon barrel to start with? My 220-Swift
which is the closest I have to your cartridge still has
its original barrel on it with who knows how many rounds
before me and I've put probably half a K through it with
so far no issues. Kind of scary to think its possible
to wear out a barrel that quickly !!!


I think I accelerated the wear by listening to internet gossip of
using JB bore paste for getting the copper out and other cleaning
methods.   When someone mentions JB I see red.   It is abrasive
and I'm sure it caused the barrel to wear out quicker then normal.

When it comes to removing copper I now use Sweets.   It will
remove copper with 1 patch and no brushing.   After using it I
follow up with Hoppes as Sweets will kill the bore if left in it for
any length of time.



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Posted: July 10 2018 at 12:57pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Oddly, I've only ever had a new barrel installed on one rifle, but it's kind of an interesting story.

Dad had gotten this Mexican cavalry carbine in one of his gun show trades and it was sitting gathering dust til he could decide what to do with it. I thought it was neat, so he gave it to me. Mexico had four different variations of cavalry carbines over the 20th century, this was apparently one of the last ones as it is a Belgian made FN '98 action.

To say it was in bad shape doesn't begin to scratch the surface.It was ROUGH, all the finish was gone, at some point the stock was painted black, presumably for a parade rifle I guess, and it had the worst bore of any gun I ever saw, no rifling and craters throughout it's short length. But it was complete and solid, and it all worked except the safety which was fine because I sure wasn't shooting it with that barrel.

Fast forward a few years after it had been gathering dust in my house and my younger brother retired from the Army and used his GI bill money to go to gunsmithing school in Colorado. Anyway, he needed to accomplish various gunsmithing tasks on things, Mausers are good, bread and butter guns to work on and God knew this one needed everything. Everybody thought I should just use the action to build a sporter, but I wanted to get it as close to original as I could. Found a brand new, in the white 7x57 barrel with the steps somewhere and a couple of other parts, put the whole mess in the hands of a neighbor's kid who was living in Denver at the time and he delivered it to my brother who basically rebuilt the darn thing. The little rifle was used to prove he could do wood refinishing, metal refinishing, rebarreling and probably a bunch of other tasks. The stock was almost beyond hope, but he did the best he could and it doesn't look half bad.

I don't shoot it much, but it shoots as well as something with very short sight radius and crappy military open sights is likely to. Fun little gun. Usually gets a lot of attention at the range when I take it. My brother, Tom, named it "The Lazaraus Rifle" because it came back from the dead. I think I have some pictures of it in its "before" state, I'll have to see if I can post some, suffice it to say it was a wreck.

I do have an old Santa Barbara commercial Mauser in .30-06 I bought with the intent of having JES in Oregon rebore to .35 Whelen, but I've been shooting it a lot and kind of like it as a .30-06.

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Posted: July 10 2018 at 2:24pm | IP Logged Quote Paul B.

I rebarreled an early J.C. Higgins M50 that was chambered to the .270
Win. I got into the gun cheap as the original owner was dar near a
midget and the stock was way too short. For those who don't know,
the M50 was a commercial Mauser by FN, barreled by High standard
and the stock either came from Bishop or Fajen. I never did find out
which.
What I did not like about the gun was the notch for the rear sight was
directly over the chamber. Probably was OK but the thought of all that
pressure that close to my face wan't making me feel comfortable. The
rifle was done with a 23" Douglas barrel chambered to the 7x57
Mauser with a 1in 8.5" twist. The stock is a gun show find that I think
came off a Huskvarna Husky that was in great shape with decent
checkering. The gun looks like a current Winchester M70
Featherweight but slightly larger. It's very accurate with Winchester 145
gr. Powerpoints but so far isn't happy with handloads. It shows higher
velocity even with current watered down factory ammo.
Chamber/throat specs are quite tight which maybe part of the problem.
I'm kind of hoping to find a load I and the gun like so that I can try it out
on an elk hunt.
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Posted: July 10 2018 at 4:06pm | IP Logged Quote beerd

I had a 43 Spanish Rolling Block carbine redone with a 45-70 rifle length barrel. Way easier to find reloading components.
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Posted: July 10 2018 at 6:01pm | IP Logged Quote hoghunter

I have rebarreled four rifles; two Rem Model 7's 223, one Rem Model 7 243, and one Rem Model 700, 222.

In the case of the 223 Model 7's, I shot the barrels out and couldn't maintain a group under 1 1/2 moa. They never were great shooters with the thin factory barrels. I rebarreled with Douglas barrels, 20" long one contour heavier that the standard factory barrel. Results were great. Both rifles are 1/2 moa rifles. These are my stalking varmint / predator rifles. I selected the 12" twist to optimize the use 55 grain bullets.

In the case of the 222 Rem Model 700 I used the action to have a long range varmint rifle built. I had a Douglas match barrel, 26" heavy varmint contour installed in a 223 Rem caliber. I also had the barrel fluted to reduce weight. The results were great, this is now a 1/4 moa rifle. Also installed a Bell & Carlson Medalist stock. Again I selected a 12" twist to optimize the use of 55 grain bullets.

The last rifle I had rebarreled was the Rem Model 7, 243. I had shot the barrel out of this rifle. I rebarreled with a Hart No. 3 contour barrel. I'm still testing but so far the results are disappointing. I wanted a Douglas barrel but gunsmith couldn't get one so I settled for a Hart barrel. Best group to date is .780.
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Posted: July 10 2018 at 6:17pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Many years ago when 03A3 rifles were thick as fleas and around $30.00 I had one re-barrled to 25-06. At the time a Flaig barrel in the white was around $25.00. An old gun butcher in town did the job out in his garage. He also reloaded, his starting load was whatever the top load was with a Hornady 87 grain bullet and Hodgdon 4831 was. Keep in mind this was the late '50s and the loads got pretty hairy. Prairie dogs were in danger at almost any range. Oh, those were fun times!
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Posted: July 10 2018 at 7:31pm | IP Logged Quote M700

Hoghunter - don't give up on that Hart barrel. I had one in .308 Win that was uncannily accurate... Was sad to see that one go.

Have a Douglas barrel on my Model 70 375 H&H, it was re-barreled from a 7mm Rem mag, but that happened before I bought the rifle.

The Douglas barrel has been excellent. Most of my others have been Kriegers.

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Haven't gone prairie dog shooting for a couple of years now but that's where my handle comes from. I shot out a Rem 700 fluted .22/250 barrel and rebarreled it with a Hart chambered for .22BR which gives near .22/250 performance with a couple grains less powder.
I shot the throat out of a Win M70 heavy barrel varmint .22/250 and had a smith set it back a couple inches and rechamber it. Accuracy and velocity was restored for a couple thousand more rounds with that factory barrel.
My Mod 700 .223 Varmint is on it's second barrel which is a Hart with 1-14" twist and shoots 40 gr. V-max bullets really well.
These are the only barrels I've actually shot out but have some others that are getting tired.

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1889 Marlin 38-40 rebored to 44-40. Not sure if that
counts.

Got an original 1873 Winchester in 32-20 that could us a
rebarrel

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I had a Rem. 700 in .222 Remington re-barreled to .221 Fireball for a custom rifle.
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REM1875 wrote:
1889 Marlin 38-40 rebored to 44-40. Not sure if that
counts.



Counts as far as I'm concerned. I've never had a rifle re-bored, but sure have considered it.

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All the rifles I've had done have Douglas barrels except maybe one. My
.280 Rem. I got it on a 1909 Argentine as a barreled action plus a nice
piece of wood for $300. Dunno whose barrel is on that one.
I had to think back. My Mauser 30-06 with the 1 in 12" twist was a
Douglas now that I think about it. I have a DWM 1912 Mauser that I
had a .308 Win barrel put on. Damned if I know that the gunsmith was
thinking but he put a thick truck axle barrel and put the gun onto one of
the nicest pre-war European stocks I've ever had the pleasure of
handling. I told him I wanted the barrel turned down to max the badly
corroded 7.63x53 that was on the gun. Still haven't figured out why he
did it that way. A momentary lack of reason I suppose. Turning the
barrel down now would leave a gap in the barrel channel big enough
for one of those monster trucks to easily run through. Not good. I'll
figure something out.
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I got a rolling block of unknown origin and age with a Navy
Arms 45-70 bull barrel on it. Pretty sure somebody re-
barreled it.

It is the only weapon I have never been able to get to
shoot and relegated it to multi-ball rounds at 35 yds at 55
gal drums......
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I've never personally had a gun rebored
since it always seemed I could get better
value for my money by rebarrelling.

That said, for awhile I did own an old
Winchester lever gun that had started life
as a 30-30 but by the time it got around
to me it had been rebored to 35-30 which
is one of the oldest wilcat rounds out
there and a darn good one. Was in my
stable for a few years till I ran across
someone specifically interested in that
wildcat chambering who offered me about
two and a half times what I paid for it
provided I threw in the loading dies and
collection of brass and of loaded ammo to
go with it.

Needless to say it was a deal I was happy
to shake on. When it comes to horse
trading guns with wildcat chamberings you
either come out way ahead or take a deep
hit depending on the buyers interest in a
the particular wildcat chambering so if
you have a chance at a buyer who is
drooling and making a high offer you don't
hesitate. Still though it was a sweet
shooter especially with cast lead and I
miss the old girl.

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700 Remington 30-06 was re barreled to 30-06 with a new
take off Remington barrel. The original barrel was a
pitted mess.

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