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Posted: July 21 2018 at 4:04am | IP Logged Quote Rex

I can still get 2400 and like 14 grains with the 357446 either 6 or 7 grains of Unique works well also.
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Posted: July 21 2018 at 8:37am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Oh yeah! Rex, you got this one pegged!
Both are some kinda poppers huh?
I can sure tell you've been doing your homework and lots
of testing. Yup, you got this one pegged.

With no 2400, combined with my "Consolidation System" I'm
stocking only five pistol powders and two rifle powders.
So I have substitutes these days.

On paper, Hodgdon says 6.2gr Universal nets 1247fps.
Perhaps in their 10" test barrel. In my 4" 28 I'm betting
more like it's closer to 1125fps or so. Maybe. Same
with TiteGroup at 5gr for 1108fps. I'm betting closer to
a grand or so. But again I bet from my 20" barreled M92
levergun I can get those boastful velocities.

And I am so tickled that old Ideal mould was the right
one for you.    

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Posted: July 21 2018 at 5:43pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

Wade, after you just gave me that mould along with some more out of the goodness of your Lakota heart and you knew how it would perform in my Smith without even seeing my revolver I wouldn't doubt your word even if you said the world was flat. Hell, I can look out the window and see that for myself.
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Posted: July 21 2018 at 6:02pm | IP Logged Quote LAH

Ranger my first 28 was purchased in 1975. It was 4" but
because of Mr. Skelton [blame it on someone] I sent it to
MMC to be converted to 44 Special. Another came along a
few years ago, a 6". Man what a shooter. A little later I
found a 4" too which is down in the safe. Love them both.

Congratulations on your new-old friend. They are a great
sixgun as you know.

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Posted: July 21 2018 at 10:41pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup. Was out again this morning around 08:30 and it was
already 86 with a H.I. of 92 and climbing. Topped out
at 107 by 16:00 . But anyway tried some mild
.38Spl loaded last year with W231 and some 358495 full
wadcutters. Think they were around 150gr and the load was
3.5gr. Like Rex said, felt like a .22 going off, but I
was standing at the 50m mark with just a smidge of the
front sight out of the rear elevated for the distance.
My, oh my... Two cylinders full and not a single miss. I
was going to load again and try more but I figured I'd
jinx it and miss all 6! And besides I had sweat
running into both eyes. Yeah, I know, stop whining Wade.


But it got me thinking about Rex using W231 with his
150gr SWC in a 38 case he was planning. Rex, I know the
bullets are different but holy smokes it was an easy
shooting load. No unburnt powder and a touch of soot on
the case. But accurate as can be! I figure yours
would be smooth with a similar load or a couple 1/10th of
a grain less for your out the truck window snake load.


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Posted: July 23 2018 at 2:15am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Mod 28-2 NYSP marked .....Nothing wrong with my Mod 19 but
I sure prefer the N-frame.
Took me forever to get mine.
I am a happy camper.....

Had a NYSP officer who took an unusual interest in me long
ago..and it wasn't good......crack me up if it was his
gun.....

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Posted: July 23 2018 at 6:13am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Yup, had a couple M19's myself but they just felt puny in
my hands. They were too light for continuious magnum
shooting. Rebuilt a few officers 19's that rattled apart
from long term magnum shooting.

Nope, in my book the M28 is the best "working hard
playing hard" 357Mag going. And I sure am glad I got one
again. Even if it cost me 4 times for a used model to the
original cost of a new one back when I bought em in the
70's. Almost think it was scalpers prices but again
it was the first I've seen for sale in two decades.
Reckon I just outta be happy I found one and leave it at
that. Though the bore turned out to be a little dark from
Bubba's lack of cleaning it still is a tack driver!

P.S. Did I ever mention I really dislike folks that
don't clean their weapons? Bubba, and Bubba Jr just don't
get it.

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Posted: July 24 2018 at 6:25am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Not sure why S&W discontinued the 28, they were great value for the money, my first one brand new cost me $87 and change.

With a heavy load the .357 will do anything you want.

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Posted: July 24 2018 at 8:04am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Wade is absolutely correct in comparison, the 9mm is pretty "puny" compared with the .357.

The hottest ammo you can buy commercially for the 9mm, from Underwood, a 115 grn bullet at 1400 fps, will produce 500 ft/# at the muzzle, the 358429 bullet at 1350 from the .357, gives the same energy at 100 yards.

I have two 28s a 4" and 6", I chronographed several different loads through both guns, on the average the 6" gun was only 25 fps faster than the 4", The four inch is my favorite, the six has a bit more sight radius, the four is easier to pack around.

I had a set of Pachmyer grips on the four, but replaced those with the originals, just feels better in the hand.   

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Posted: July 24 2018 at 8:25am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I love multi caliber guns for demonstrations and the 9mm
from the same revolver as the 357 has opened more that a
few people eyes around here.
Same for the 32 ACP vs the 327 Fed Mag.
Normally it leads them to wiser choices in purchases.

Just something about the difference in recoil does more
than all the facts and figures in the world ....


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Posted: July 24 2018 at 8:46am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

There is a neat video of Jerry Miculek breaking a balloon at 1000 yards with a 9mm S&W revolver.

1000 yards
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Posted: July 24 2018 at 10:10am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

John
I don't think I could even see a ballon 1000 yards away
with a scope .......Amazing
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Posted: July 24 2018 at 11:32am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Tghat guy can shoot a revolver faster than any automatic.
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Posted: July 27 2018 at 5:02am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

John mentioned reverting back to the original grips and
abandoning the Pachmyer gripper style. I recall using the
originals with great success. On the street I started out
with Pachmyer Presentation grips but returned to the
original panel grips. Unfortunately the weapon I recently
bought has Safariland gripper style grips on it. Though
not really uncomfortable, they do cause my to initially
point slightly low from the draw. I'm forced to
reposition my grip some for the front sight to come into
view.

I intend to buy a set on panel grips from Altamont as
soon as my pension check hits the bank. As with my old
S&W M&P .38Spl 4", I tried the Pachmyer gripper style on
it and it too pointed low. The original grips are badly
worn from years of holster wear from being seated in a
patrol vehicle so I retired them and replaced them with
Altamont medallion ivory panel grips. Really dressed the
old pistol up. But for this M28 I believe medallion
panels with checkering in walnut would be appropriate.
Kinda like an old warhorse doesn't look right with a
fancy rig but a McClellan looks perfect.



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Posted: July 27 2018 at 6:06am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I got on well with the Pachmyer grips, had no difficulties with shooting, they just did not feel right on the old gun.

The panels went back on, the rubber grips went into a box..

In this day of plastic guns and finger grooves, sometimes the old stuff just feels better.


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Posted: July 27 2018 at 7:46am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Roger that!
I like the old stuff far better.

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Posted: July 27 2018 at 9:38am | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Wade and John

I have to agree .......the rubber grips got stashed away
and the old wood panels I had laying around now grace my M-
28.
Just could not get used to the new rubber ones.....
I am a happy camper now ....
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Posted: July 27 2018 at 12:08pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I do have to take Wade to task about the McClellan saddle, not a good design, probably the most modified saddle in history. Hard to fit the horse or the rider. The only real advantage to that saddle was that it had a gap in the center of the tree, that in the winter time gave the rider some heat from the horse, but not so great in the summer.

McClellan, got the idea for his saddle while in Europe.

Contemporary with that saddle was the Universal pattern saddle, that was used by the Brits the Ausies and most of the folks in Europe.

Anyway the analogy is still good.

We had a saying back East in my farming days, you can put a chrome bumper on a manure spreader, but it won't smell any better.

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Posted: July 27 2018 at 1:43pm | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

John, now I have just the opposite opinion of the
McClellan saddle. The U.S. Cav rode them for decades. And
their service record was good from the 1860's to the
1940's.

I personally owned and rode a 1923 McClellan saddle in
the mounted unit at the PD where all other officers rode
either single or mostly double rigged western saddles. My
horse, Dusty, was a tall buckskin and that 11 1/2"
McClellan fit us both well. I rode that saddle from 1958
on the rez up until I sold my last horse in 2012.

So..... I like McClellans, quarterhorses that are trained
to neck rein, and huskys for dogs. Big sixguns and lever
actions. But I spent over half a century in that saddle,
so let's not say bad things about it, huh?
Everyone has their choice of gear and such. Same with
tack... And as to Gen. George B. McClellan, he spent all
his time in his tent. Just another yankee officer to me.
Remember, I salute the Stars and Bars just as fast as I
do the Stars and Stripes.

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Wade

No question that that they worked for some folks but not everyone. I spent a lot of time researching saddles, and the history of the McClellen, indicated that it was modified many times, during it's service life.

The idea was good, in that it was a very light saddle. And as the folks that go exploring on horseback, and to belong to the Equestrian Explorers Guild, you must have ridden 1000 continuous miles. It is not the kilometers that kill your horse it is the kilograms.

There is no adjustment in the McClellen saddle, and horses backs are all different, an ill fitting saddle will permanently damage a horse, the same saddle may seem to fit you fine.

The UP saddle had a pivoting set of panels, so it fit different horses.

One of the best designed military saddles was the German M35, (I have one so I know how much it weighs 22#), which was used all of the way through WWII, most folks do not know that during that war the great mechanized German Army actually moved 80% of everything with horses.

My western rig, with pads, breast collar, set for mountain riding weighs exactly 52#, the saddle I use the most,a GP English saddle weighs 8#.

I have a Stubben saddle, that is almost identical to one of the models used by the RCMP, 18#.

Rule of thumb, a horse should not be expected to carry more than 1/4 of it's weight. Mt. Men are always seen with pack horses..

Your horse can be the difference between life and death if you are out in the remote places, I make life as easy for my guys as I can, on exceedingly rough terrain I get off and walk, and weigh everything that goes on their backs.


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