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Posted: July 21 2018 at 5:07am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Hey guys, I know many of you on this forum
are retired law enforcement with at least
some legal experience.

Well, you know those "crowd funding"
things on the internet where people can
make donations to support causes they
believe in, the idea being that if you get
a few thousand people to all give a few
dollars each it adds up.

Well from what my woman tells me there is
this female gun rights activist who
started a gun rights group in Russia, and
she has worked closely over here with the
NRA. Well the Feds have arrested her and
have her locked up awaiting trial for
espionage and spying and acting as a
foreign agent claiming she was a Russian
agent who was instrumental in getting the
NRA to help elect Trump and was sleeping
with big names in the gun rights community
and training sex for influence and
information.

Well my woman thinks it's all a big made
up smoke screen and a bunch of liberal
scum trying to go after Trump and gun
owners and women who are gun activists.

This is about how it has been going
lately from her:

"It's a Russian witch Hunt . . . .
And there libs are just ticked off that
the Russian hotti doesn't want to sleep
with them and prefers real gun and Bible
clinging men . . . And heck you get a
freaking sports enthusiasts together in
international cooperation to promote their
mutual interest in their respective
nation's . . . Well they wouldn't be upset
about it like they are when gun rights
enthusiasts start cooperating on an
international level . . . And who do the
heck they think the NRA members were going
to vote for regardless . . . Hillary !!!
Are you freaking nuts . . . They don't
need no Russian hotti to swing no votes on
that one, they were already going to swing
that way !!! . . . Besides a freaking
international cooperation convention on
freaking tunna fishing rights there is
going to be some international sleeping
around especially among the good looking
ones . . . What the heck are these
people's problem !!! . . . And oh yah if
it's a witch Hunt then why haven't they
burned the real witch Hillary at the stake
yet?"


My woman is on her soap box and on a rant
that has been going on for days now about
this, I try to be understanding but it is
really starting to grate on my nerves.

And now things have been taken up a notch
now she wants to donate to a legal defense
"crowd funding" campaign for this other
woman. I consider myself somewhat lucky
that she actually talked to me first and
didn't just do it and tell me about it
afterwards.

I have some serious concerns though about
having our names connected with a donation
to a legal defense fund for this woman.
The charges are pretty heavy stuff and
even if there is absolutely no truth to
them it is still some powerful and
dangerous people behind the charges
especially if it is a railroad job!

So any of you guys have any advice, is
this worth putting my foot down on, or am
I being a "scardy cat" as my woman has
charged, not to mention what my woman
thinks of my concerns that this other gal
could actually be an actual foreign asset
and although the "deap state" may have
"Trumped Up" the charges it may be based
on a kernel of truth.

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Posted: July 21 2018 at 8:57am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Guess I should explain a little further.
Besides not being so sure the accused in
question is innocent.

I don't want myself and/or my woman ending
up on some federal "sh*t list" and next
time need to fly somewhere find out we're
on the no fly list, or next gun purchase
the instant background check comes back
with a false positive flagging.

Worse yet, if someone accused of these
kinds of crimes gets convicted any chance
of someone that donated to their defense
fund being pulled in for providing "aid
and comfort". Not quite worried about a
resurrection of The Committee On Un-
American Activities (not that the original
didn't have valid concerns in some cases)
but this sort of thing is making me a
little squeamish.

That was what I was mainly asking about of
those of you who have law enforcement
experience.

Told my woman I would give her an answer
by Monday (and knowing her I had better
have a solid debate ready on why
regardless).

Edited by turbo1889 on July 21 2018 at 8:59am


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Posted: July 21 2018 at 9:14am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Want my advice, seriously?

Walk away and stay out of it.
Not your fight.

Plain enough?

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Posted: July 21 2018 at 10:26am | IP Logged Quote RT58

There's a big difference between law and politics. Politicians make the laws, then feel they are above the laws they just created.

Is it possible there will be repercussions against you or your woman, yes. You're not just involving yourself with a legal issue, but a political one too. If you haven't been paying attention some politicians in this country are just plain nut cases and will use their power to get what they want and punish those that get in their way.

Russian interference in the 2016 election is big news for the media...ever since the liberals brought it up. But if you've followed it closely the collusion has been between the Russians and Democrats and the Democrats have violated federal law in their attempt to keep President Trump out of office. Not to mention Obama and other U.S. presidents interfering with elections in other countries.

If you were dealing with only a legal issue, and knew all the facts about the case, maybe. (There was a case a few years ago about a man that was accused of murder that had a site to collect money for his defense and it was mentioned on a few gun forums by good hearted members trying to help the guy out. He was found guilty. Then his case was aired on TV and there was no doubt in my mind, based on his own words, that he was guilty.

But in this case, it's all politics. You don't have all the facts and can't know what the truth really is. I'd stay out of it. The liberals are using deception and double talk to confuse people on the real issues. If the argument seems to sound confusing and makes no sense, there's a good chance it's supposed to distract people from the real issues.
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Posted: July 23 2018 at 11:05pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Thanks guys, especially Old Ranger. Your
simple but straightforward advice that it
was not our fight so stay out of it was
the most effective debate point for my
woman. Got a little pushback with her
"When they came for the Jews, I did
nothing because I was not a Jew. When
they came for the Catholics, I did nothing
because I was not a Catholic. . . . Etc .
. . When they came for me, there was no
one left to help me." argument but was
able to convince her that this logic don't
really apply when we are talking about
potential Russian spies.

So I put my foot down, she don't entirely
agree but at least it ain't like she isn't
talking to me or anything.

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Posted: July 24 2018 at 12:29am | IP Logged Quote Old Ranger

Ask if you both want to be on the No Fly List? Have your
electronic communications monitored? Be marked as as
potential home grown terrorist? Donations to foreign
organizations, especially the former USSR, will light you
both up like a beacon. And mark you both as fast as the
data can be entered to the system.

Like I said. Not your fight. Glad you made your point
enough to stear clear of it.

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