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Posted: July 24 2018 at 4:07pm | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Back when I started shooting handguns, it seemed to me that the prevalent sight configuration was either a "V" or "U" notch in the rear sight and a bead for the front. My first handgun, borrowed, was a Colt Woodsman, with that sight arrangement.

Time passed and then everything had the "rectangle" configuration.

That set up is good for targets, but I think the "V/U" and bead is better for hunting. My first Ruger Redhawk was a.44 Magnum, I ordered the "express" sights from Ruger, a pretty simple install on that gun.

I always thought I did better, hunting with those sights than the "block" style. I sold the .44 Redhawk, but kept the replacement sights. When I got my .45 RH, I put those sights on it, and have not looked back.

Unfortunately, for me anyway, Ruger discontinued those sights, I managed to find a set that some one had and wasn't getting on with, they sent me the sights and I put them on my GP-100.

I find that even with old eyes, that they are easier to "center up" than the block sights, but I am also aware that is not the case for everyone in their "golden" years. Sorry the pic is a bit fuzzy..j





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Posted: July 24 2018 at 5:42pm | IP Logged Quote Rex

I like the looks of those.
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Posted: July 24 2018 at 11:41pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

Personally for a handgun I'm a ghost ring
guy, preferably combined with a hooded
front sight that is a tall thin post
topped with a centered in the hood bead
with a tiny, tiny needle prick sticking up
off the top of the bead. Sight it in dead
on perfect on the tiny, tiny needle prick
at 25 at the range resting on sand bags
which gives slight elevation for 25-75
range using the bead for "normal" shots
and then for longer ranges the thin post
allows you to aim using hold over without
completely covering the target. But even
with a normal front sight a rear ghost
ring alone is a huge improvement.

But if I must go with a standard notch
type sight I like the rear notch to be a
sharp edged rectangle where the notch
appears to be about twice as wide as the
blade up front. I find it much easier to
"even up" the light gaps on each side of
the blade while keeping the top of the
blade even with the top of the notch.

Notch sights where the darn notch is the
same width or almost the same as the blade
are horrible to try to get lined up and
"locked in" to a proper sight picture for
me. Unfortunately more and more guns are
coming with narrow rear notches and fat
front blade, yah you can take the grinder
to them but I shouldn't have too and it
messes with the resale value.

For handguns with swappable sights that
are dovtailed in before I buy I'm
measuring the dovtail size to see if it's
one of the standard sizes that I can get
good replacement for a reasonable price.

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Posted: July 24 2018 at 11:47pm | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

John Van Gelder wrote:
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That looks like an excellent candidate for
ghost ringing the rear to me, the front
sight there would work beautifully with a
rear ghost ring. Would be even better if
a front sight hood was added of just the
right diameter such that the front hooded
diameter just slips inside the rear ghost
ring diameter as viewed by the shooter in
the sight line up.

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Posted: July 25 2018 at 4:41am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

I had thought about the ghost ring, but was not sure about "holster wear".

Another plus wit this setup is that at night, with crossed hands flashlight/gun hold the front sight really shines.


This is similar to the "express" sights used on double rifles for shooting dangerous game, because the sight picture was easy and fast to acquire.
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Posted: July 25 2018 at 4:52am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Turbo I have the same problem with square sights, I have very long arms, so the gap in the sight picture is minimal with most guns.

I too ended up opening up the rear sight on new guns, the ones with replaceable rear sight blades, were easier to work on.

My Ruger 9mm and the .45ACP, both have very generous rear sight notches. I find that with the 3 dot sights the gap is not as important.

When folks go on at length about longer sight radius, they are actually talking about the front rear sight gap.

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Earlier I shot well with any sight the weapon was
furnished. The Patridge style sight with the Bauhaumn
[sp?] front ramp sight of the S&W revolvers became my
choice if anything by mearly being the factory installed
sight. The S&W fixed sights were much the same. It took
them as is and adapted myself to them with successful
results.

Today my right eye is blurred and causes me to actually
see poorly compared to just a year or so ago. The left
eye remains clear. Fortunately the left is my dominant
eye and with pistols I cock my head slightly right and
the sights align perfectly for shooting. Sadly, a feat I
cannot reproduce for rifles. But moving on...

The sights the I often excel with are the simple, yet
crude sights of my Colt Richards & Mason Conversion
.38Spl on an 1860 Army frame. With the simple hammer nose
notch rear sight and tapered front low blade, it delivers
stunning results. Further, the same style tapered front
and very small V of "pinched" metal of the rear upper
barrel area of the 1872 Colt open top 45 gives excellent
results as well. The low stock 1911A1 G.I. sights also
offer no challenges either.

But again I am a combat shooter. Trained for close
quarters engagements of armed opponents. This training
proved to be of great importance in my successful
survival of several encounters. My technique is based
upon the use of the front sight as a shotgun bead,
pointing for center mass allowing the rear to fall into
place by simple natural alignment in my vision. Years of
shooting this way, it is an unconscious operation.
Where I run into problems is when I try too hard to be in
alignment for fine point shooting. In that, I suck!
But reverting to my combat style and keep eyes on the
center and put the front sight there, everything falls
into place. Compare it to shooting a recurve bow with
barebow or "instinctive" shooting concentrating on a spot
on the target rather than the intricate mechanical sights
on bows today.

Conclusion; for some, the need for alterations of sights
are necessary to suit the individual and their personal
methods. Others require simply what is there and
adaptation is a natural event.

When running my gunsmithing business and assisting in the
PD armory, I installed dozens of whith outline blades.
Adjustable rear and ramp fronts on 45 autos. And front
site inserts and those self illumination units. All for
officers to have "that edge" to shoot better. Even if its
psychological in nature, some did improve their scores on
the range. Bottom line, it's all a matter of personal
choice. What works for me might suck for you. And the
reverse may well apply. One uses whatever makes them
perform better. Real or imagined.

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Posted: July 25 2018 at 6:04am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

My Uberti SAA copy has the "V" notch in the frame rear sight and a narrow, tapered front sight, I also shoot that gun very well, that coupled with the natural pointing ability of the old Colt design.
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Posted: July 25 2018 at 6:51am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

I've never had any real holster issues
with a ghost ring rear unless it's a
simple matter of the gun no longer fitting
the holster. Which is not a huge issue
for me since I make a lot of my own
holsters or use generic used leather that
I pick up for cheap and what fits in it
fits in it.

Now hooded front sights that is a whole
nother issue, often have to make my own
hoods from scratch or adapt one intended
for a rifle. Then it pretty much means a
custom holster is absolutely required and
rapid holstering or unholstering is less
then advisable. Don't do it for combat
handguns but for target or hunting guns
it's certainly an option I have put time
and effort into accomplishing in the past.

Many years ago I shot competition 22-lr
rapid fire 25-yards iron sights only
allowed and I used a ghost ring rear and
hooded front with a bead inside sized to
match up just right with my eyes to one of
the inner rings on the round multi colored
rings bullseye targets they used. Worked
excellent for me. So long as I didn't get
careless and pop off too quick (time
mattered as well for scoring but accuracy
more) I usually scored in the top 1/4 or
better using that sight setup.

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Posted: July 25 2018 at 11:08am | IP Logged Quote mikld

When I returned to handgun shooting in the '80s my
eyesight had changed and I couldn't hit squat with my
Ruger SBH with stock sights. After playing with different
methods of aiming and even tried "stick on apertures" for
my glasses, I found "One Ragged Hole" aperture (peep)
sights and installed one on my SBH. Works pretty well...

Edited by mikld on July 25 2018 at 11:09am


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For sighted shooting I like the square post and square notch. For combat shooting I don't use sights.
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Posted: July 26 2018 at 4:57am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

The simpler the better, for just target or hunting the best answer is a scope. I had a number of Contender barrels with scopes and for accurate shooting, that was as good as it got.

But it was just a short rifle, that had only one shot.

I have a scope and mount for one of my old mod.28s, it was my father's gun, and his eyesight was failing, the scope was the answer for him.

I shoot that combination well, but it is just cumbersome. And if you are going to such lengths then why not just carry a rifle.
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Posted: July 26 2018 at 5:35am | IP Logged Quote turbo1889

The micro tactical red dot sights that are
available now for hanguns and especially
seen on top of competition Glocks are a
very interesting development.

I have had some very limited experience
with them myself, they do have the
potential to be a strong contender for a
"best" sighting solution for handguns.

There are some down sides though, first is
price, a good quality one will still set
you back $300 at least. Second is that
you first have to point close enough for
the red dot to show up. If you and the
gun are not a natural pointing combination
that means you still need at least the
front iron sights and preferably the rear
as well as an initial aid to getting
"close enough" for the red dot to show in
the little lens and do your final lineup
with the more precise and faster red dot.
Provided your not shooting too heavy of a
cartridge this is only necessary for the
first shot and you will be able to use the
red dot directly for follow up shots
without needing to reference irons to get
"close enough" to have the red dot show up
in the lens. Third although they are
significantly more compact then any
conventional optic they still are more
obtrusive then a ghost ring and you need a
custom holster that will accommodate the
red dot optic.

One good thing is that they finally got
the battery life and reliability issues
ironed out. Current good quality versions
have no on/off switch and just stay on
continuously so they are always in a ready
state and a single battery will last about
two years in this constant on state with
the manufacturers suggesting "critical
users" change the battery every year at
the same time of year to ensure no issues.

I don't own one myself but am strongly
considering it after shooting some friends
guns equipped with them, including a local
officer who uses one on his primary
service sidearm with the blessings of his
superior.

There are even a couple newer compact auto
handguns marketed to the self defense
concealed carry market that are sold with
a red dot tactical installed from the
factory along with both front and rear
irons set to co-witness with the red dot.

And of course there is the older tech
solution of a laser sight as well. With
of course the pros and cons that go with
that. The battery life issue with the
lazers though is not something that is
going to be solved anytime soon and if and
when it is solved the laser may be the
weapon itself.

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Posted: July 26 2018 at 5:46am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

A very interesting combat sight I saw several years ago, was a metal bar, about two inches long, with a cut in it kind of like the groove in the tops strap of fixed sight revolvers. The groove was cut with a taper, that started out wide at the back and got narrower in the front. The front notch was centered in the rear notch and the target went into the opening.

I saw this in one of the gun magazines, the writer thought it was a great idea, but I have seen nothing else since.

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Posted: July 26 2018 at 5:54am | IP Logged Quote John Van Gelder

Turbo

The red dot sights are getting smaller and more durable, and are showing up in a lot more places, and are easier for "old" eyes. The same for lasers, smaller, more durable, and more economical, in fact it cost less to mount a laser on a hand gun, than a good light.

In reality we are pretty much using the same sights on handguns we have used since we started moving projectiles with gun powder.


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Comic interlude....

I had in my command at the PD, a real joker of an
officer. His antics were legendary...

Our squad was assigned to deep nights for quite a while.
Our joker reported for roll call with a paper tube
(toilet paper tube) duct taped to the barrel of his
handgun. On the front was a piece of clear plastic with a
lightening bug superglued in the center. He declared it
to be his personal invention of an illuminated night
sight. We all got quite a kick outta that one.
Sadly, his lightening bug died as a result of the
superglue.

[Lightening bug is what you yankees call a firefly]



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