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Posted: July 29 2018 at 1:53pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I have a 405 gr flat point flat base mold. I need to find a moderate to low
power load to shoot in a Henry 45/70. I don't think they call it a Big Boy
Steel, just Henry Rifle.

I'm not interested in rattling my teeth loose or shooting 1000 yard shots, but
I would like to kill a deer at 100 yard ranges. With my eyes and iron sights
that may be wishful thinking.

My Lyman book skips the 400 - 405 gr bullets for the trapdoor loads. I'd
like to use 3031 since it is listed, I have enough of it to keep me busy for a
while and I don't use it for anything else.

I'd also like to not have to use fillers. Normally I don't mind doing some
Kentucky windage on working up loads, but from the different applications
and loadings for the 45/70, I'm not inclined to experiment on an action I
know nothing abut with a cartridge I know next to nothing about.

Any help will be much appreciated.

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Posted: July 29 2018 at 2:18pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

I used to get straw colored pellets in barrel and action
when using 3031 in 45-70 ......that was a long time ago
.....never sure what caused it..
Enjoy that Henry !!! Should be lots of fun .....My henry's
are of different calibers and my lever 45-70 are Marlins...
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Posted: July 29 2018 at 4:14pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I have a Marlin 1895 in 45-70. A guy needed money. I've never shot it. He
had silver soldered the rear sight to the barrel in a big glob. I put it in the
"stack on" with the other "someday" projects. I also obtained an H&R Shikar
by the same method. It is an absolute joy to shoot.... If brain damage is your
thing. I have a Marlin Guide Gun. I've only shot factory ammo in it and if I
ever use it for its intended purpose it'll have full strength pills to dispense. I
have a Browning replica of the 1885 HiWall that I've shot factory ammo and
some very anemic reloads in.

Then came the Henrys. First was a Golden Boy, and then another GB. Then a
Big Boy Brass in 45 Colt, then a BB Steel in 41 Mag, and now there's a "Brown
Truck" driving around out there somewhere between here and Ohio with the
color case hardened Henry Rifle in 45-70.

I'm trying to have a little welcoming gift for its arrival in the form of
something for it to eat. I want to start it off with some good nutritious
reloads and homegrown cast bullets. But, I don't want to be too rough on it.
So, something moderate for the break in period.

I don't rely on my memory for loads and such any more and my Lyman book
is in the reloading room, so I'll refrain from quoting specific charges.

I'd like to stick with the loads recommended for the Trapdoor Springfield.
There is such a wide variance in loads for the 45-70 depending upon the
strength of the action. I'm guessing the Henry is on the low end. I suppose
my reluctance to jump off into loading for it is due to the high case volume
compared to the charge volume. There's a lot of things that could go wrong.

I'm still looking in other areas for a suitable load, and one that hopefully will
work in the Henry.

Thanks for the response.

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Posted: July 29 2018 at 4:22pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

And then, for whatever reasons that never happened on any other search....I
find this with Google....

http://www.handloads.com/loaddata/default.asp?Caliber=45-
70&Weight=All&type=rifle&Source


I think I can probably get something that'll work from the site in the link....
(which won't paste for me as a link).

Thanks once again. This is a great forum for handloaders!


Alan


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Posted: July 29 2018 at 7:57pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Get some Accurate Arms 5744, I have found it is the best thing going for Trap Door loads in the .45-70. I normally use a 350 grain bullet , but 30 grains seems a good point to start. Do check this against published load data. My experience with powders like IMR 3031 is they leave a lot of unburned powder with the lighter loads, you need to load hotter to get complete burn.

By the way, that 30 grains of 5744 and a 330 grain cast bullet worked like a champ on a good sized doe I shot last Fall.

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Posted: July 29 2018 at 8:24pm | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

I may give the 350 grainer a try too. I've never had to work up much of an
excuse to buy another mold.

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Posted: July 29 2018 at 8:56pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Holy Cow .......this ain't your first rodeo .....

I agree about the Accurate Arms 5744 that richhodg66
recommended ....... Have you asked Henry about what they
recommend ? They are pretty responsive......

I want that brass 327 Fed Mag and I am tired of being a
"good boy" while I wait for it


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Posted: July 29 2018 at 9:05pm | IP Logged Quote richhodg66

Alan McDaniel wrote:
I may give the 350 grainer a try too. I've never had to work up much of an
excuse to buy another mold.

Alan


I despised Lee molds for a long time but either they're making them better or maybe I just finally figured it out on how to make them work. Either way, I use them a good bit now.

That Lee 350 grain flat nose is a good design. Shoots well and has enough meplat to kill deer effectively, and the Lee molds are cheap too.

For what it's worth, my older Lyman manuals give load data for Unique which looks like it would work fine for woods deer loads. Their latest manuals don't have data for it. I can tell you for a fact that 5744 works great, but there are other powder options. Haven't used it yet, but a lot of guys use black powder and that is what the cartridge was designed around.

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Lyman 457122 (my Dad cast this one, and since he doesn't hunt, casts things much harder than I would have so didn't appear to expand) and 30 grains of 5744. Distance was 50-60 yards, bullet entered just forward of the left shoulder and came out just behind the last rib on the other side. Deer took two short steps sideways and fell over, no tracking required. I always scratch my head when guys want to turn the .45-70 into some kind of fire breather it was never meant to be. By the way, recoil with this load is mild even off a bench with my H&R that probably weighs less than six pounds.

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Posted: July 29 2018 at 9:26pm | IP Logged Quote REM1875

Lyman 457122 is the one I turn into the fire breather in my
Marlins with RX 7. (It also sees use in my Ruger old Army)
Last rounds of the day with rifle cause ya don't need a
flinch right out of the box.
It wipes the smug off faces and replaces it with respect
for the potential of the round.
We pass out 5 rounds and only one besides my brother and I
have shot all five.
Sometimes it's about harmless fun. They are warned before
shooting though and they never have turned it down......
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Don't have my load notes in front of me
now but the two main powders I use in the
45-70 are Reloader-7 and IMR Trail Boss.
For the kinds of loads you are looking for
I believe the IMR Trail Boss loads would
be more to your liking.

The Henry rifles are nice but I really
prefer a loading gate on a lever gun. I
wish Henry would figure out the superior
utility that a loading gate offers and
start offering models with that feature
instead of all being slow cumbersome tube
loaders where you have to pull the tube
out and fill up the magazine from the
muzzle end.

Another thing that is really worth trying
with the 45-70 is making sub-sonic heavy
cast lead bullet loads that make your gun
act like it's surpressed without having to
go through all the paperwork, fees, and
red tape to get an actual suppressor. To
accomplish this the best results I have
had is with using a big old 550gr iron
single cavity mold of unknown origin I
picked up in a pawn shop that is almost
all body topped off with a short pointed
nose. Loaded backwards and as a full
wadcutter with a boat tail crimping in the
middle of the bullets bottom driving band
(just half a driving band outside the case
mouth) and using just a few grains of fast
burning shotgun powder to produce a muzzle
velocity of 800-fps in my 28" barrel
length single shot 45-70 it is hearing
safe quiet and I can shoot that load all
day out in the back acerage without anyone
in the house realizing that anyone is
shooting a gun out back. Where as with a
regular 45-70 load you would not only hear
it my house you would hear it in all the
surrounding neighbors houses as well.

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Just checked an old Lyman manual from the 50s or 60s I have, it lists Unique loads and for all the "normal" range bullet weights (i.e., between 300 and 405 grains), data starts at 13 grains and maxes out at 16.5. The max Unique load given for that 457122 bullet gives 1410 FPS according to their data, which should do just fine for woods deer hunting if your rifle shoots it well.

It also gave some data for 2400 and 4227. I think I'd go with the Unique and see how that does.

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Posted: July 30 2018 at 5:12am | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

Most of my shooting these days is at paper, empty cans, rocks, etc... I still
pretend I'm going to shoot a deer or hog but really the last thing I want is
150# of dead meat to deal with. Sitting by the fire and recalling past
exploits is a lot easier on the back. There's also the standing around telling
the youngsters how to do things while they work on butchering something.
They always appreciate that.

I still like to reload and shoot those reloads but have long since lost the
desire to break noise or recoil records.

I realize that getting into the 45-70 business might be contrary to those
ends, but there's things I can do now that I could not do when I was 25 that
have nothing to do with physical abilities.

My grandfather used to say that people had things all wrong. He said that a
man should be allowed to hunt, fish, and have any and all the equipment he
needed or wanted until he was 30 years old. Then chain him to a desk and
make him work the rest of his life.

But I'm really kinda excited about this Henry. It'll be a new adventure in itself
learning the ins and outs of loading for it.

Thanks again for the responses.

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Do post some results with the Henry. I want a .45-70 lever gun one day and simply cannot warm up to the current production Marlins. I also don't have this hatred of the tube magazine everybody else does, so the Henry looks like where I'll go when I do pull the trigger.

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Posted: July 30 2018 at 5:51am | IP Logged Quote Alan McDaniel

The tubular mag doesn't bother me either. It makes it much easier to
unload.

The one thing on most current production lever guns that I do NOT like is
the cross bar safety. It is a useless add on that does nothing. I cannot
imagine walking around with a hammer fired lever gun cocked with that
stupid safety engaged (or not since I usually carry them with my hand around
the receiver and could easily disengage the safety accidentally). The hammer
is your safety.

I'm going to buy the little safety deactivation plug for my Marlins and look
for one for the Henrys if I decide I like carrying it.

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I'm with Rich. I shoot a bunch of 5744 in my reproduction
'74.

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Do the Henrys have that safety on them? I had somehow missed that. I despise those push button safeties, it's the first thing my eyes go to when looking at one and I just can't seem to see anything else on the rifle.

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richhodg66 wrote:
Do the Henrys have that safety on them? I had
somehow missed that. I despise those push button safeties, it's the first
thing my eyes go to when looking at one and I just can't seem to see
anything else on the rifle.


You know, I looked again and I don't see it. I could have sworn I read that
the Big Boy Steel and the Henry Rifle had one. My Golden Boys and Big Boy
Brass don't have them.

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When I said,

Alan McDaniel wrote:
... and now there's a "Brown
Truck" driving around out there somewhere between here and Ohio with the
color case hardened Henry Rifle in 45-70.


I was just kidding...

Too much time passed and I checked the tracking number. The Brown truck
dropped off the package at an address in Virginia (as in the State).

I live in Texas (the State).

I found this out after 5:30 PM on Friday....

I'm not feeling real good about this. I don't like to badmouth gun
distributors, but these guys messed up bad on this one.

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I have three Henry's none have a cross bolt safety. Randy
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